Bloodshot animal

wilcam47 · Nov 20, 2013

Any theories on what causes it? Bullet type? Bullet speed? My personal theory is its blood vaporized/cooked when the animal is hit.

Yes I know being shot...before any wisenheimers smart off.

itsslow98 · Nov 20, 2013

Id say the warm soft meat meeting a hard object at a very fast rate is what causes it. I always aim for the lungs anyways.....zero meat spoilage.

Caeb75 · Nov 20, 2013

I am not sure what you are referrng to regardng your question.

Are you referring to the bubbly blood that collects around the wound under the skin of a dead animal?

That would be a massive bruise/hemorrhage caused by the trauma of the bullet breaking skin and tearing flesh and the associated hydrostatic shock.

I honestly try to shoot meat deer in the head due to this and the resulting damaged meat.

I have seen this in every deer I have shot whether it was a bullet from one of my revolvers, or a rifle, or muzzleloader or shotgun.

shrpshtrjoe · Nov 20, 2013

+1 Hydrostatic shock

coopermania · Nov 20, 2013

Wisenheimer

wis·en·heim·er /ˈwīzənˌhīmər/

noun informal plural noun: wisenheimers

1.

a person who behaves in an irritatingly smug or arrogant fashion, typically by making clever remarks and displaying their knowledge.

None of those guys left here, HvyMax and Somdshoot have been banned.

wilcam47 · Nov 20, 2013

coopermania said:
Wisenheimer

wis·en·heim·er /ˈwīzənˌhīmər/

noun informal plural noun: wisenheimers

1.

a person who behaves in an irritatingly smug or arrogant fashion, typically by making clever remarks and displaying their knowledge.

None of those guys left here, HvyMax and Somdshoot have been banned.

theres still a few left... :lol2:

wilcam47 · Nov 20, 2013

Caeb75 said:
I am not sure what you are referrng to regardng your question.

Are you referring to the bubbly blood that collects around the wound under the skin of a dead animal?

That would be a massive bruise/hemorrhage caused by the trauma of the bullet breaking skin and tearing flesh and the associated hydrostatic shock.

I honestly try to shoot meat deer in the head due to this and the resulting damaged meat.

I have seen this in every deer I have shot whether it was a bullet from one of my revolvers, or a rifle, or muzzleloader or shotgun.

That's part of it...the dark blood is what Im referring to...Ive had and seen the same on a bow shot.

I was just wondering about the dark blood in between the layers of different muscle groups. One friend of mine says its "burned/cooked" blood which obviously isn't any good. The meat in most cases is salvageable for ground but you have to scrape that dark blood out. Ive shot one in the lungs/liver and there was the "bloodshot/dark blood" in the shoulder area in between the muscles. the meat wasn't damaged but a lot of "burned blood". Like a couple of you said hydrostatic damage...sounds good.

jpo183 · Nov 20, 2013

found it

foxtrapper · Nov 20, 2013

LOL don't head shoot if it's an animal you want mounted!

I'm guessing hydrostatic shock causes the jelly looking stuff. I just cut that out and give to the dogs to eat if no bone frag is in it.

Maybe asking Teratos? He's a doctor and surely spent time in the ER in his intern years. If he spent it in a Baltimore ER, he saw bullet wounds...

coopermania · Nov 20, 2013

wilcam47 said:
theres still a few left...

I tried Will, I swear I really tried, But he was taunting me. wis·en·heim·er. wis·en·heim·er
wis·en·heim·er. And I just gave in to the urge.

wilcam47 · Nov 20, 2013

coopermania said:
I tried Will, I swear I really tried, But he was taunting me. wis·en·heim·er. wis·en·heim·er
wis·en·heim·er. And I just gave in to the urge.

lol

...I wasn't talking bout you...

Half-cocked · Nov 20, 2013

Here's my theory - the shock of the bullet impact stretches tissue so much, that the capillaries cannot stretch enough, and break open, spilling blood into the surrounding tissue. Similar to what happens when you get a bruise from an impact, but on a much more severe level.

(Note - I'm not a Holiday Inn Express, but I did sleep on a doctor.)

Franklin · Nov 20, 2013

hydrostatic shock! even bloodcells explode from it. that is waht you are seeing,a whole lot of dead exploded bloodcells and hemoglobin and endoplasmic reticulilm and all kinds of fun shit with long words we havent seen since 9th grade biology!

DaveP · Nov 20, 2013

Ever notice how sometimes you heart shoot a deer and it drops right there, and other times it runs 100+ yds before going down?

US Army did a bunch of tests back in the '40s, I believe, with beagles.
If you shoot the heart when it's full of blood, hydrostatic shock causes severe disruption of CNS.
If you hit it when empty, no such effect.

LOL, I know this has nothing to do with OP's question, but since folks were tossing phrase around, thought I'd throw it out there.

I've seen big areas of bloodshot meat with all types of projectiles, but not real ugly unless you hit bone.

I always try to lay it right behind shoulder if I can: biggest margin for error there: seen two deer with jaws shattered over the years due to "headshots" gone wrong.

wilcam47 · Nov 20, 2013

DaveP said:
Ever notice how sometimes you heart shoot a deer and it drops right there, and other times it runs 100+ yds before going down?

US Army did a bunch of tests back in the '40s, I believe, with beagles.
If you shoot the heart when it's full of blood, hydrostatic shock causes severe disruption of CNS.
If you hit it when empty, no such effect.

LOL, I know this has nothing to do with OP's question, but since folks were tossing phrase around, thought I'd throw it out there.

I've seen big areas of bloodshot meat with all types of projectiles, but not real ugly unless you hit bone.

I always try to lay it right behind shoulder if I can: biggest margin for error there: seen two deer with jaws shattered over the years due to "headshots" gone wrong.

I had a deer in MD shot right through the heart and ran up a hill bout 35yds and kick it...also shot a buck at 23yds drop dead in its tracks with a lung shot...its always something different every shot.

Ive never gone for a headshot on a deer...I also don't like shoulder shots...I prefer right behind the shoulder in the heart lung liver area...

Pale Ryder · Nov 20, 2013

wilcam47 said:
Ive never gone for a headshot on a deer...I also don't like shoulder shots...I prefer right behind the shoulder in the heart lung liver area...

This. I don't have an answer, I think it's also the hydrostatic thingy.

I had a small deer that needed a second shot to nail it. First shot hit low. It was a a slight quarterering towards as it came back up the hill to me. It hit the shoulder blade, which then angled the bullet up and blew out a big chunk of the spine. About 2 inch diameter hole. This was a 150 grain 30-06 at about 30 yds. Bullets do some strange things.

Franklin · Nov 20, 2013

The worse I have ever seen was on a hog via 17 Remington with a 4500 FPS custom load. Hardly even made a bruise on the meat but the heart and part of the lungs where just mush.

DaveP said:
Ever notice how sometimes you heart shoot a deer and it drops right there, and other times it runs 100+ yds before going down?

US Army did a bunch of tests back in the '40s, I believe, with beagles.
If you shoot the heart when it's full of blood, hydrostatic shock causes severe disruption of CNS.
If you hit it when empty, no such effect.

LOL, I know this has nothing to do with OP's question, but since folks were tossing phrase around, thought I'd throw it out there.

I've seen big areas of bloodshot meat with all types of projectiles, but not real ugly unless you hit bone.

I always try to lay it right behind shoulder if I can: biggest margin for error there: seen two deer with jaws shattered over the years due to "headshots" gone wrong.

huesmann · Nov 21, 2013

coopermania said:
Somdshoot have been banned.

Why'd he get banned?

Franklin · Nov 21, 2013

huesmann said:
Why'd he get banned?

don't pursue it! all it will lead to is the thread getting locked. Dwyer and banned members get threads locked down quik

sxs · Nov 21, 2013

shrpshtrjoe said:
+1 Hydrostatic shock

It's this ^^^

The hydrostatic shock causes a much larger wound channel than the caliber of the bullet (projectile) would indicate. For a split second any round with an expanding bullet can cause a wound channel much larger than even the expanded (mushroomed) bullet diameter which then collapses back to just somewhat greater than the diameter of the expanded bullet. (also happens with a non-expanding bullet - but to a much lesser extent partly because the diameter of the bullet doesn't increase. The greater the diameter of the bullet, the faster the round decelerates which means that the energy loss of the bullet due to deceleration is greater with an expanded bullet. That energy, bled off from the round, is what determines how large the wound channel is expanded. The more energy left in the animal, the more traumatic the wound. That 'bloodshot' look is just the clotted blood from the temporarily expanded wound channel that is due to the extreme trauma via the hydrostatic shock. Hopefully, I've made some sense with this

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