USA Today - Ban assault weapons, buy them back, go after resisters

krucam · May 3, 2018

Just in case there was any doubts on their intentions...just "common sense" actions...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...em-back-prosecute-offenders-column/570590002/

Ban assault weapons and buy them back. It might cost $15 billion, but we can afford it. Consider it an investment in our most important right, the right to live.

Jim12 · May 3, 2018

"Buy them back"?

So, they once belonged to the government, the government sold them, and the government has a "right" to "buy them back"?

I have a bridge I'd like the government to "buy back."

It's a softer term than "forced sale." Or "eminent domain," which would be more fitting. Only in "eminent domain" proceedings, the forced seller can challenge the offer price and litigate it. What's the fair market value of an AR-15 that would be forcibly sold and can't be replaced? Priceless. What's the price of freedom? Priceless. The government couldn't EVER afford it.

Eric Swalwell, a CA Congressman, once lived in MD and went to the University of MD Law School, iirc.
He's also Adam Schiff's "Mini-me" on the House Intel Committee's Dem. RUSSIA! witch hunt.

jrumann59 · May 3, 2018

Jim12 said:
"Buy them back"?

So, they once belonged to the government, the government sold them, and the government has a "right" to "buy them back"?

I have a bridge I'd like the government to "buy back."

It's a softer term than "forced sale." Or "eminent domain," which would be more fitting. Only in "eminent domain" proceedings, the forced seller can challenge the offer price and litigate it. What's the fair market value of an AR-15 that would be forcibly sold and can't be replaced? Priceless. What's the price of freedom? Priceless. The government couldn't EVER afford it.

Eric Swalwell, a CA Congressman, once lived in MD and went to the University of MD Law School, iirc.
He's also Adam Schiff's "Mini-me" on the House Intel Committee's Dem. RUSSIA! witch hunt.

That is because they actually believe and AR15 is an M16/M4 that was owned by the military. You keep telling lie a long enough it can become "truth" in the tellers eyes.

GOG-MD · May 3, 2018

krucam said:
Just in case there was any doubts on their intentions...just "common sense" actions...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...em-back-prosecute-offenders-column/570590002/

This article is disgusting in so many ways.

The problem isn't law-abiding citizens with modern sporting rifles (falsely described here as "military style assault weapons" and "hand-held weapons of war"). It's criminals who don't follow the laws we already have.

Right in the first paragraph, the author says a security guard reported Dreshawn Lee to the police after seeing him carrying a sawed-off shotgun. And three months later, the perp got revenge by shooting the guard with an AK-pattern rifle. The key part here for me is the time frame. Three months. Dreshawn was reported to police for possession of an illegal firearm (the sawed-off shotgun) and was out in three months or less and committing more crimes. He already showed he didn't give a shit about the law. But instead of putting him behind bars, they dropped the charges. If the courts had enforced the laws we already have, the security guard would still be alive today.

Yet instead of calling for courts to enforce those laws, the author (and so much of the mainstream media) call for MORE laws. Laws which criminals by their very nature will NOT obey. Laws which will only punish law-abiding citizens.

And the choice of firearm in this case had nothing to do with this man's death. The article I linked above said the perp ambushed the guard around a corner. He used an AK-pattern rifle, but could have shot the guard just as dead with a shotgun or a pistol. Or just drove over him with a car. Banning modern sporting rifles (so-called "assault rifles") would not have saved this man's life. Enforcing the laws we already have would have.

GOG-MD · May 3, 2018

Jim12 said:
It's a softer term than "forced sale." Or "eminent domain," which would be more fitting. Only in "eminent domain" proceedings, the forced seller can challenge the offer price and litigate it. What's the fair market value of an AR-15 that would be forcibly sold and can't be replaced? Priceless. What's the price of freedom? Priceless. The government couldn't EVER afford it.

I also love that the first price the author suggests is $200 per gun. :lol2:

You might get a Hi-Point pistol for that, but sure as hell not an AR. Even $1000 is laughable for some models.

And you're right, this would absolutely be a forced sale. Or a barely-compensated confiscation, more accurately. There's no "buy back" about it.

danb · May 3, 2018

Sometimes I think that the NRA hires people to write this stuff, because an article like this is the greatest gift to them since Al Gore.

No one is coming for you guns, unless they are. And we will jail or kill people who resist.

frogman68 · May 3, 2018

Just a warning to the grabbers , barrel will be hot

fxk · May 3, 2018

Not much original thought there at USA Today.

Sundazes · May 3, 2018

Did anyone else get the letter from Brochin today. It was all about how his democratic opponent is a gun loving NRA ass kisser. And Mr Brochin stood up to the nasty evil NRA and voted against them.

Doctor_M · May 3, 2018

I wonder if the author of this wonder piece of excrement understands what he is asking for when he advocates "arrest the resisters". What form do you think that resistance would take? I doubt it will just be folks burying their guns... it will be people DIGGING UP their guns.

Jim12 · May 3, 2018

Doctor_M said:
I wonder if the author of this wonder piece of excrement understands what he is asking for when he advocates "arrest the resisters". What form do you think that resistance would take? I doubt it will just be folks burying their guns... it will be people DIGGING UP their guns.

The only Resisters who need to be arrested are those who are obstructing our government with their endless campaign of false claims and innuendo accusing our duly elected President of conspiring with RUSSIA!

That includes the writer of that piece, Eric Swalwell (D-CA), and his Intel Committee Minority leader, "boss," and co-Resister, Adam Schiff (D-CA).

3paul10 · May 3, 2018

the article says...."as safe as our military"....haven't there been a few bases shot up?

herkybird72 · May 3, 2018

This “tool” needs an education on firearms but as I have seen him on TV he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. The problem is other uneducated people read this crap and believe it. My Mother still believes that the 94 AWB banned “machine guns” in spite of being told otherwise.

davsco · May 3, 2018

GOG-MD said:
This article is disgusting in so many ways.

The problem isn't law-abiding citizens with modern sporting rifles (falsely described here as "military style assault weapons" and "hand-held weapons of war"). It's criminals who don't follow the laws we already have.

Right in the first paragraph, the author says a security guard reported Dreshawn Lee to the police after seeing him carrying a sawed-off shotgun. And three months later, the perp got revenge by shooting the guard with an AK-pattern rifle. The key part here for me is the time frame. Three months. Dreshawn was reported to police for possession of an illegal firearm (the sawed-off shotgun) and was out in three months or less and committing more crimes. He already showed he didn't give a shit about the law. But instead of putting him behind bars, they dropped the charges. If the courts had enforced the laws we already have, the security guard would still be alive today.

Yet instead of calling for courts to enforce those laws, the author (and so much of the mainstream media) call for MORE laws. Laws which criminals by their very nature will NOT obey. Laws which will only punish law-abiding citizens.

And the choice of firearm in this case had nothing to do with this man's death. The article I linked above said the perp ambushed the guard around a corner. He used an AK-pattern rifle, but could have shot the guard just as dead with a shotgun or a pistol. Or just drove over him with a car. Banning modern sporting rifles (so-called "assault rifles") would not have saved this man's life. Enforcing the laws we already have would have.

pretty much all above. why don't we try putting and keeping actual violent criminals in friggin' jail instead of banning tools that the vast majority of folks use in a completely law-abiding manner. where's the ban on alcohol, heck where is the limit on buying alcohol at the ABC store to one beer per hour. there is none of that. anyone of age can buy as much booze as they want and we just trust that they won't drive drunk or kill their family in a drunken rage. why is this same trust and freedom not extended to firearms?

Biggfoot44 · May 3, 2018

Back up a few posts to the side topic. Tell us more about this pro gun Dem that Jim Brochin is endorsing to replace himself ?

GOG-MD · May 3, 2018

davsco said:
pretty much all above. why don't we try putting and keeping actual violent criminals in friggin' jail instead of banning tools that the vast majority of folks use in a completely law-abiding manner. where's the ban on alcohol, heck where is the limit on buying alcohol at the ABC store to one beer per hour. there is none of that. anyone of age can buy as much booze as they want and we just trust that they won't drive drunk or kill their family in a drunken rage. why is this same trust and freedom not extended to firearms?

Yup. According to the CDC, 33,171 people in the US died in 2015 in alcohol-induced deaths excluding "unintentional injuries, homicides, and other causes indirectly related to alcohol use, as well as deaths due to
fetal alcohol syndrome." Add those in and the number would be far higher.

The same year, 36,161 people died in motor vehicle traffic incidents.

Again, the same year, 36,252 people died in ALL firearms-related incidents. Note that this includes suicides. Remove suicides and the number drops substantially: 17,793 homicides using firearms.

So if you combine all alcohol-related deaths, MORE people are killed by alcohol every year than firearms. Nearly the same number are killed by motor vehicles. Yet the only one politicians and un-educated sheeple are trying to ban or heavily restrict is firearms. You can't reason with people like this, because they don't care about the facts, even though it's all publicly available data. I looked this stuff up in about two minutes using Google.

And of course the type of firearm they're most going after is modern sporting rifles, despite the fact that rifles of ALL kinds are used in a tiny fraction of firearm-related homicides. You'd think where one's constitutional freedoms are involved, these people might want to look at the actual facts.

Sources referenced above:

CDC Alcohol Use Stats
National Vital Statistics Reports, page 12 - alcohol induced mortality
CDC Fast Stats - All Injuries and Assault or Homicide

Don H · May 3, 2018

Will Mr. Swalwell (the author and CA congressman) be the one knocking on doors to collect our firearms?

MigraineMan · May 3, 2018

GOG-MD said:
So if you combine all alcohol-related deaths, MORE people are killed by alcohol every year than firearms. Nearly the same number are killed by motor vehicles. Yet the only one politicians and un-educated sheeple are trying to ban or heavily restrict is firearms. You can't reason with people like this, because they don't care about the facts, even though it's all publicly available data.

An order-of-magnitude more people die (est. 250,000) from avoidable medical errors every year ... You are mistaken if you think this is about "public safety" or "saving lives."

Alea Jacta Est · May 3, 2018

Swallowwell

Yep

Nuff said

Norton · May 3, 2018

$15 billion? Does that factor in the payouts to the families of all of the dead cops?

These Bolsheviks are always fine with proposing this stuff, but then send in some other poor slob to do their dirty work and get shot in the face.

Just the cost of a progressive agenda.

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