Permit restrictions have changed

ericahls · Apr 5, 2016

My friend just received his renewal and apparently the restrictions have changed. He did not request any change.

Old Restrictions said:

- Valid only between residence "business name" office or while actively involved in financial business transactions as owner of same. Not valid were firearms are prohibited.

New restrictions:

- Valid only while conducting business as owner of "business name" Not valid where Firearms are prohibited.

My take is they became more permit holder friendly.

dontpanic · Apr 5, 2016

That is much friendlier. They took out the need to be doing financial transactions.

mxrider · Apr 5, 2016

ericahls said:
My friend just received his renewal and apparently the restrictions have changed. He did not request any change.

Old Restrictions said:

- Valid only between residence "business name" office or while actively involved in financial business transactions as owner of same. Not valid were firearms are prohibited.

New restrictions:

- Valid only while conducting business as owner of "business name" Not valid where Firearms are prohibited.

My take is they became more permit holder friendly.

This was adopted a while ago when the licensing division posted their SOP's. While this is in fact better, it also creates other gray areas that were not there before. No restrictions for those that have met their "G&S" would be much more preferred, especially since there is no requirement to issue a permit with restrictions.

ericahls · Apr 5, 2016

mxrider said:
No restrictions for those that have met their "G&S" would be much more preferred, especially since there is no requirement to issue a permit with restrictions.

Amen

traveller · Apr 5, 2016

I can be on my way to or from the company at any time of day or night. There is always a company laptop in my briefcase. That's a good change.

miles71 · Apr 6, 2016

While back a memo went out that seemed to try and standardize the restrictions. This is a good and bad thing imo. More standard restrictions, easier to understand and issue but also doesn't cover all situations.

I had a small business and could have kept it going but the cost and tax headache just wasn't worth it. My next renewal will not include the business, and I worry a little. I had a permit before the business and hope I can retain it without, but we shall see.

I hope at the point of my next renewal within the year, some things have changed so I can protect myself and family as I have been "qualified" to do.

TD

shootin the breeze · Apr 6, 2016

My restrictions haven't changed. Same craziness I had before I renewed. Just got the new permit about a week ago.

Guess I'm gonna wind up at the HPRB with Britt in about a year...

Straightshooter · Apr 6, 2016

shootin the breeze said:
My restrictions haven't changed. Same craziness I had before I renewed. Just got the new permit about a week ago.

Guess I'm gonna wind up at the HPRB with Britt in about a year...

If it has the old business restriction, call Knaub. My wife got her renewal a few weeks ago and it had the old language. I called Knaub and questioned why the wording didn't match the MSP'S own SOP. She got a corrected permit in the mail about 4 days later.

EVERYONE WHO RENEWS SHOULD CHECK THOSE RESTRICTIONS!

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shootin the breeze · Apr 6, 2016

Straightshooter said:
If it has the old business restriction, call Knaub. My wife got her renewal a few weeks ago and it had the old language. I called Knaub and questioned why the wording didn't match the MSP'S own SOP. She got a corrected permit in the mail about 4 days later.

EVERYONE WHO RENEWS SHOULD CHECK THOSE RESTRICTIONS!

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Thanks, I'll give him a holler and see what happens.

Cold Steel · Apr 6, 2016

What would happen in this state if someone used a firearm in self defense and was found not to be conducting business?

I can't think of any situation in which I would use the term "friendly" in connection to Maryland gun laws. "Less ridiculously restrictive" would be my choice.

torched02 · Apr 6, 2016

shootin the breeze said:
My restrictions haven't changed. Same craziness I had before I renewed. Just got the new permit about a week ago.

Guess I'm gonna wind up at the HPRB with Britt in about a year...

If you don't mind me asking what did the live shooting portion of your renewal class require from you as far as proficiency?

mxrider · Apr 6, 2016

shootin the breeze said:
Thanks, I'll give him a holler and see what happens.

An associate of mine and I were talking recently and I found out he had his permit. I asked him what his restrictions were and informed him about the new restrictions. He sent in a letter with $10 and had his restrictions updated.

Straightshooter · Apr 6, 2016

mxrider said:
An associate of mine and I were talking recently and I found out he had his permit. I asked him what his restrictions were and informed him about the new restrictions. He sent in a letter with $10 and had his restrictions updated.

That's what I did with mine, but it was issued before the SOP change. I told Knaub that I didn't see as where my wife should have to cough up another $10 to have the restrictions worded the way they are supposed to be. He said it was an oversight on their end and a new permit would be issued. There was no arguing by either of us.

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torched02 · Apr 7, 2016

First off a big shout out to CypherPunk for recommending Master NRA Instructor Ben Kelkye to me for the purpose of completing the training for the Maryland Handgun Qualification Course in order to renew my Maryland CCW permit. I was scheduled to take a class last Saturday from L5/S1 Tactical (stay away from these guys) but it was cancelled for "lack of interest" and was supposed to be rescheduled. Never the less the unprofessional folks at L5/S1 Tactical never bothered to call me back to reschedule as they promised. In steps Ben Kelkye to save the day as he was able to work me into his already full class set for this morning. Well needless to say it was a great class taught by one of the most experienced instructors in the area and we had a blast! The class was fun and informative and the live fire part of the course was really well done and challenging. I would recommend Ben who is based out of the Frederick IWLA for any of your future training needs.........first class job Ben, Thanks again!

DanGuy48 · Apr 8, 2016

OP, thanks for posting this. I had heard this as a rumor and asked a cop I know about it and he said he was not aware of it. The person who told me initially said there was no official announcement that anything had changed, just that it now applied to simply conducting business as you say, although another poster says it was recorded as new SOP. In any case, good to hear confirmation. I might give this a try then soon.

daggo66 · Apr 8, 2016

torched02 said:
If you don't mind me asking what did the live shooting portion of your renewal class require from you as far as proficiency?

You must score 70% or better. 25 shots at distances varying between 3 and 15 yards.

swinokur · Apr 8, 2016

course of fire
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redeemed.man · Apr 8, 2016

torched02 said:
First off a big shout out to CypherPunk for recommending Master NRA Instructor Ben Kelkye to me for the purpose of completing the training for the Maryland Handgun Qualification Course in order to renew my Maryland CCW permit. I was scheduled to take a class last Saturday from L5/S1 Tactical (stay away from these guys) but it was cancelled for "lack of interest" and was supposed to be rescheduled. Never the less the unprofessional folks at L5/S1 Tactical never bothered to call me back to reschedule as they promised. In steps Ben Kelkye to save the day as he was able to work me into his already full class set for this morning. Well needless to say it was a great class taught by one of the most experienced instructors in the area and we had a blast! The class was fun and informative and the live fire part of the course was really well done and challenging. I would recommend Ben who is based out of the Frederick IWLA for any of your future training needs.........first class job Ben, Thanks again!

Excellent. Ben ran a great class. Glad it worked out for you.

DC-W · Apr 8, 2016

Ben is amazing.

That is all.

N3YMY · Apr 8, 2016

ericahls said:
Valid only while conducting business as owner of "business name" Not valid where Firearms are prohibited.

My take is they became more permit holder friendly.

My take is one gray area traded for another.

"Where prohibited" could be if there is a sign displayed.

"Where prohibited by law" is less gray.

Do signs displayed stating no concealed weapons have force of law in the PMRD...? :shrug:

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