Justice Department and ATF Begin Regulatory Process to Determine Whether Bump Stocks
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Interesting thoughts from a guy with "Molon labe" in his avatar.
If you went on a global warming blog as a ringer, you’d use some kind of Mother Earth avatar wouldn’t you?
Seriously.
And Exuberant Exuberon spelled Molon as Molan.
Come on...
Sev89
Dreams about cheese
I bet you also think the Second only applies to FUDD guns as well. With “friends” like you, who the hell needs enemies?
Who da F@%K is this guy??? Personally I don't believe there is a need for anti-freedom loving Americans like you, yet here you are! What do you work for the ATF or something?
Hey Mr. Fudd here is some food for thought for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CquUBWHU2_s
Who da F@%K is this guy??? Personally I don't believe there is a need for anti-freedom loving Americans like you, yet here you are! What do you work for the ATF or something?
Hey Mr. Fudd here is some food for thought for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CquUBWHU2_s
https://youtu.be/51clP7JRqv8 Totally about hunting you guys I'm suuuper serious!
Boondock Saint
Ultimate Member
Your beliefs and feelings on any particular matter have no bearing whatsoever on the pre-existing, non-negotiable rights endowed to all of us. The only thing "damaging the credibility of 2A rights and ownership" around here is thinking like yours.
platoonDaddy
Ultimate Member
Anyone have a copy of the original letter ATF published when they allowed Bump Stocks?
disregard, I located.
disregard, I located.
Exuberon
Active Member
Thanks for the moniker correction....fixed
I didn't think that my opinion on this particular aspect of 2A would necessarily be popular. However last time I checked my post is still a basic right under the 1st amendment (just as your wonderful opinions, statements or creations are). We all don't have to agree on all aspects. It's not an all or nothing stance across the broad spectrum of gun regulations; especially in this state of Maryland where gun rights are already seriously eroded (and nothing of my doing). I am a law abiding , voting, hard working, tax paying, gun owning veteran who is a productive member of the community and have only resided in Md for 5 years. Fortunately, I don't plan on being here any longer than I have to. {BTW- great job you long time residents! WTF?!? }
On this one item, clearly I am in the minority and of of no threat or consequence. Yet I am not the whack job that went psycho on hundreds of people in Las Vegas. Direct your disdain, rage, piss and vinegar at the proper Representative, Senator, national committee or branch of justice department.
I didn't think that my opinion on this particular aspect of 2A would necessarily be popular. However last time I checked my post is still a basic right under the 1st amendment (just as your wonderful opinions, statements or creations are). We all don't have to agree on all aspects. It's not an all or nothing stance across the broad spectrum of gun regulations; especially in this state of Maryland where gun rights are already seriously eroded (and nothing of my doing). I am a law abiding , voting, hard working, tax paying, gun owning veteran who is a productive member of the community and have only resided in Md for 5 years. Fortunately, I don't plan on being here any longer than I have to. {BTW- great job you long time residents! WTF?!? }
On this one item, clearly I am in the minority and of of no threat or consequence. Yet I am not the whack job that went psycho on hundreds of people in Las Vegas. Direct your disdain, rage, piss and vinegar at the proper Representative, Senator, national committee or branch of justice department.
tkd4life
Ultimate Member
Thanks for the moniker correction....fixed
I didn't think that my opinion on this particular aspect of 2A would necessarily be popular. However last time I checked my post is still a basic right under the 1st amendment (just as your wonderful opinions, statements or creations are). We all don't have to agree on all aspects. It's not an all or nothing stance across the broad spectrum of gun regulations; especially in this state of Maryland where gun rights are already seriously eroded (and nothing of my doing). I am a law abiding , voting, hard working, tax paying, gun owning veteran who is a productive member of the community and have only resided in Md for 5 years. Fortunately, I don't plan on being here any longer than I have to. {BTW- great job you long time residents! WTF?!? }
On this one item, clearly I am in the minority and of of no threat or consequence. Yet I am not the whack job that went psycho on hundreds of people in Las Vegas. Direct your disdain, rage, piss and vinegar at the proper Representative, Senator, national committee or branch of justice department.
I'll bite. You are absolutely right, you have every right to your opinion and your post here. The 1st amendment is as important as the 2nd. So if you feel like bump stocks should be banned, where does it stop? Are binary triggers ok, are triggers with short reset, short over travel, light trigger pulls ok?
I don't have a bump stock and honestly don't want one. But I've got a binary trigger and its a lot of fun on my AR-22. I've got more Geissele triggers than I probably should. Should my 3 gun trigger be illegal, should my SSA-E trigger be illegal?
Like most things in life, the devil is in the details. If you want to ban bump stocks, that's fine, just understand people were doing the same thing with tools as simple as a twig and a belt loop way before bump stocks were around.
Wouldn't you just propose that semi-auto's in general be banned? Isn't that just a clever way to circumvent some random infringement placed on the 2A?
SRD
R.I.P.
Thanks for the moniker correction....fixed
I didn't think that my opinion on this particular aspect of 2A would necessarily be popular. However last time I checked my post is still a basic right under the 1st amendment (just as your wonderful opinions, statements or creations are). We all don't have to agree on all aspects. It's not an all or nothing stance across the broad spectrum of gun regulations; especially in this state of Maryland where gun rights are already seriously eroded (and nothing of my doing). I am a law abiding , voting, hard working, tax paying, gun owning veteran who is a productive member of the community and have only resided in Md for 5 years. Fortunately, I don't plan on being here any longer than I have to. {BTW- great job you long time residents! WTF?!? }
On this one item, clearly I am in the minority and of of no threat or consequence. Yet I am not the whack job that went psycho on hundreds of people in Las Vegas. Direct your disdain, rage, piss and vinegar at the proper Representative, Senator, national committee or branch of justice department.
Not sure what the first bold means?
To the second bold ,Neither did any of the thousands of people with them or the Akins,Hellfire,AS IV,legally owned MG's etc.
Biggfoot44
Ultimate Member
- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,137
First Bold is blaming Md gunowners for the existing status of gun rights in Md .
alucard0822
For great Justice
Thanks for the moniker correction....fixed
I didn't think that my opinion on this particular aspect of 2A would necessarily be popular. However last time I checked my post is still a basic right under the 1st amendment (just as your wonderful opinions, statements or creations are). We all don't have to agree on all aspects. It's not an all or nothing stance across the broad spectrum of gun regulations; especially in this state of Maryland where gun rights are already seriously eroded (and nothing of my doing). I am a law abiding , voting, hard working, tax paying, gun owning veteran who is a productive member of the community and have only resided in Md for 5 years. Fortunately, I don't plan on being here any longer than I have to. {BTW- great job you long time residents! WTF?!? }
On this one item, clearly I am in the minority and of of no threat or consequence. Yet I am not the whack job that went psycho on hundreds of people in Las Vegas. Direct your disdain, rage, piss and vinegar at the proper Representative, Senator, national committee or branch of justice department.
Outside of the "shall not be infringed" argument, the main issue is at it's core bump firing is a technique, not a device. All semi-autos are capable of it, and all bump grips/stocks do is make the technique easier to manage. That is where the problem lies, the fact that it is near impossible to eliminate the ability to bump fire without eliminating the self-loading mechanism that all semi-autos use. That is why we are so cautious to throw what is essentially a loose fitting stock under the bus, and why gun banners are jumping at the chance to use a "bump stock" ban to go after much more. The stock itself does not alter the trigger, in fact doesn't alter anything internally, it just guides the rifle and your finger back into firing position. Good chance changing the longstanding definition of "1 shot per action of the trigger" to something else will have a ton of unforeseen consequences, and hand un-elected bureaucrats at the ATF unprecedented authority to change definitions that are written into law.
tkd4life
Ultimate Member
The recoil of the M1a makes it one of the easier guns to bump fire. I've seen people at the range that got really good at just the right trigger pressure to double fire pretty consistently. And that was with a completely stock rifle.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
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alucard0822
For great Justice
Meanwhile the ATF once declared shoelaces were NFA regulated machineguns. Part of the absurdity of trying to stuff a 100+ year old genie back in the bottle, at least for folks that can't afford a transferrable MG, and aren't willing to break the law to obtain or build one.
Not to stoke the fire, but since we are all expressing our 1st Amendment Rights here, I will add that fully automatic weapons (not fauxly automatic) are PRECISELY the types of arms that our founders would have wanted in the hands of private citizens, since their purpose is to serve as a buffer against tyranny.
Boondock Saint
Ultimate Member
pcfixer
Ultimate Member
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"Shall not be infringed" What part don't people understand?
Yep, and putting 'limits' on the 2nd Amendment is the most abused phase also.
Who is doing the limiting? By definition the general assembly's, state government nor congress sets the limit. The 9th and 10th Amendment guarantee rights given by our creator.
John Locke and Sir William Blackstone have repeatedly been quoted by me an others here. Limits on the government and NOT the people.
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