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Old April 16th, 2019, 07:32 AM #61
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Old April 16th, 2019, 10:14 AM #62
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I don't see that praising something is going to change anything. In order to change you need to understand where the flaws are and how to craft better arguments so that you can succeed the next time. I am trying to provide people here with the understanding of where the flaws are and how to craft better arguments.
I don't believe the is the correct venue to make suggestions for a successful suit. That place would be in the MSI boardroom. This place is full of keyboard commandos who offer opinions without have a basic understanding of the facts or law. I believe many of your points are valid, but arguing here is counterproductive. It is also the place where the enemy resides. Keep that in mind when you think you have the golden nugget or Perry Mason moment.
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Old April 16th, 2019, 12:49 PM #63
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Heller was NEVER about being able to obtain a permit, as a matter of fact DC didn't even issue permits of any type back in 2008. It was about being able to own a firearm in DC, period.
One of the problems the plaintiffs ran into in Heller was standing and five of the six plaintiffs did not have standing to bring a lawsuit. The issue was registration (not permits) and you could own firearms, just not handguns in particular or at least certain handguns. DC required people to register their handgun but did not allow any more new registrations of handguns, which effectively prevented someone from owning a handgun. Heller was the only one that tried to register his handgun and failed. The others simply assumed that the restriction on registration was sufficient, which it was not.

I don't expect that most people will understand all the issues. I don't expect lawyers to be perfect either. What I expect is that lawyers do understand and do enough that to ensure that the likely issues will be addressed. Based on my initial reading of the case, it does not appear that they really validated that every plaintiff had a reasonable expectation that they had standing.
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... Based on my initial reading of the case, it does not appear that they really validated that every plaintiff had a reasonable expectation that they had standing.
At one point, I think there were 5 individual plaintiffs (not including Atlantic and MSI), then 4, and now 2. Don't know what caused the attrition. I do remember threads on this forum seeking plaintiffs as well as an effort to recruit them at gun shows.

I don't remember which firm was hired to put the case forward nor would I know their experience in this type of litigation. I bet the MSI meeting this weekend will be interesting and I'm guessing that not all information will be shared publicly (e.g. here) until there's a strategy in place. If there's an ability to add plaintiffs, might not be a bad idea. However not sure how one can get denied a permit vs indefinitely put on hold the way the application system is set up.

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