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  • Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 24, 2018
    20,424
    Montgomery County
    brandish a firearm (point it at them with your finger on the trigger)

    In that jurisdiction, they call it "exhibiting" the firearm. And finger on/off has NOTHING to do with criminality. You're lecturing about best practices that everyone here understands, while ignoring the fact that even with muzzle down or gun openly carried on a hip, they'd still be exhibiting firearms in response to the trespassers saying they're going to kill them, their dog, and burn down their house.

    Taking away their guns wasn't part of an arrest or a red flag proceeding. It was a pandering political response by the DA to the couple standing up to the trespassing mob's threats and already demonstrated willingness to use force as they broke down the gate. The DA's pandering wouldn't have been a BIT different if there had been no finger on that Walther's long-pull DA trigger, or if the (finger OFF the trigger!) AR had had its muzzle pointed at a different angle. The DA would still have called that "exhibiting," because by the BS standards used in the context of all this, it wouldn't have been a bit different. And you know it.

    Discussing best practices in muzzle/trigger discipline is a total red herring.
     

    teratos

    My hair is amazing
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Jan 22, 2009
    59,840
    Bel Air
    In that jurisdiction, they call it "exhibiting" the firearm. And finger on/off has NOTHING to do with criminality. You're lecturing about best practices that everyone here understands, while ignoring the fact that even with muzzle down or gun openly carried on a hip, they'd still be exhibiting firearms in response to the trespassers saying they're going to kill them, their dog, and burn down their house.

    Taking away their guns wasn't part of an arrest or a red flag proceeding. It was a pandering political response by the DA to the couple standing up to the trespassing mob's threats and already demonstrated willingness to use force as the broke down the gate. The DA's pandering wouldn't have been a BIT different if there had been no finger on that Walther's long-pull DA trigger, or if the (finger OFF the trigger!) AR had had its muzzle pointed at a different angle. The DA would still have called that "exhibiting," because by the BS standards used in the context of all this, it wouldn't have been a bit different. And you know it.

    Discussing best practices in muzzle/trigger discipline is a total red herring.

    Don’t forget that MO law explicitly permits displaying a firearm in defense of life and property.



    Pursuant to Mo. Rev. Stat. § 21.750.3(1), a county, city, town, village, municipality or other political subdivision of the state may regulate the “open carrying of firearms readily capable of lethal use.” Such ordinances cannot restrict a person in possession of a valid concealed carry endorsement or permit (from Missouri or another jurisdiction) who is open carrying a firearm, or the use of a firearm in the defense of person or property. Mo. Rev. Stat. § 21.750.3(2)(a).
     

    Jake4U

    Now with 67% more FJB
    Sep 1, 2018
    1,180
    It's pretty messed up that they are most likely going to be charged after a mob literally broke down a gate to get to that point. Can we have charges against everyone who passed the broken threshold and entered the gated property and just leave the homeowners who were on their property alone?

    Yes, but ... if he kept his firearm pointed down while she called the police ... and if the police had an order to stand down and didn't show up and if the crowd rushed him and he fired ... that would play a lot better before a grand jury.

    And all the get off my lawn Eastwoods ready to sweep a crowd with their firearm, you do have carry insurance, yes?

    https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/how-concealed-carry-insurance-works/
     

    Bob A

    όυ φροντισ
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    30,989
    After the fact the guy should then have sued the city to replace his fence. He's a lawyer. His legal time is free. Use the suit to expose the politicians who let it happen. Get them voted out. That's how adults respond.

    So, let's see: sue the city to replace everything they've worked for and spent years imporving. That should happen in a timely fashion. And his time is free, so he can go ahead and spend the next several years filing briefs and working thru the courts for compensation, to make up for the destruction of his home, instead of working for a living. No doubt he can sue for lost wages, too.

    In the same court system that harbors Soros-sponsored prosecutors who are working hard to deprive him of his ability to defend against the mob that they've sheltered from legal sanctions. No problem there.

    Then "expose" the politicians, in a city dumb enough to permit this activity in the first place, by going thru the media who are not at all biased, and will faithfully explore the issues from all points of view, I suppose.

    Adults respond to tantrums by not succumbing to the noisy blackmail. Otherwise, the behavior will go uncorrected, and get worse as the children get bigger.

    If that includes presenting an armed presence in confronting a mob, so be it. It takes a certain amount of courage to face down a mob. A couple small-caliber firearms and a box of ammunition won't go far if the situation is allowed to get out of hand, especially where the politicians have ordered the police to stand down.

    The perfect is the enemy of the good. The McCloskey response was good, and it accomplished its intention without bloodshed.
     

    Alea Jacta Est

    Extinguished member
    MDS Supporter
    This is it about safety. This is not about the law. This is all about politics. Politics is all about power. End of story.

    For the record, I’m with the clown. I’ll take any one of his 27k posts over the wankers that abound here lately. We don’t cal him Einstein for nothing. Plus he’s funny...
     

    rbird7282

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 6, 2012
    18,733
    Columbia
    This is it about safety. This is not about the law. This is all about politics. Politics is all about power. End of story.

    For the record, I’m with the clown. I’ll take any one of his 27k posts over the wankers that abound here lately. We don’t cal him Einstein for nothing. Plus he’s funny...





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    Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 24, 2018
    20,424
    Montgomery County
    Don’t forget that MO law explicitly permits displaying a firearm in defense of life and property.

    Correct. Which makes this entirely about whether there was the perception by the homeowners of a threat to them and theirs. People here seem amazingly willing to avoid talking about that, and are more worried about hairsplitting over matters not addressed in the law (where one's finger is, for example). How about WHERE ONE'S MOB IS. Because that's the issue, and the only issue.
     

    teratos

    My hair is amazing
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Jan 22, 2009
    59,840
    Bel Air
    Correct. Which makes this entirely about whether there was the perception by the homeowners of a threat to them and theirs. People here seem amazingly willing to avoid talking about that, and are more worried about hairsplitting over matters not addressed in the law (where one's finger is, for example). How about WHERE ONE'S MOB IS. Because that's the issue, and the only issue.

    Agree. If finger on the trigger is the best thing you can come up with....
     

    outrider58

    Eats Bacon Raw
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 29, 2014
    50,068
    This is it about safety. This is not about the law. This is all about politics. Politics is all about power. End of story.

    For the record, I’m with the clown. I’ll take any one of his 27k posts over the wankers that abound here lately. We don’t cal him Einstein for nothing. Plus he’s funny...
    Funny? What-what... like I amuse you? Like I'm some kinda cl... Oh, yeah...never mind.
     

    jr88

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Mar 7, 2011
    3,161
    Free?? State
    Hey glad to see this thread ending like most on this forum, with 4-5 of the High Count know it all posters kissing each others ass after they run everyone who disagrees with them off the thread. Great Job, no wonder most of you have listed yourselves on your profiles as "pot stirrer" and "agitator". Now that is a "Dick" statement !
     

    Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 24, 2018
    20,424
    Montgomery County
    Hey glad to see this thread ending like most on this forum, with 4-5 of the High Count know it all posters kissing each others ass after they run everyone who disagrees with them off the thread. Great Job, no wonder most of you have listed yourselves on your profiles as "pot stirrer" and "agitator". Now that is a "Dick" statement !

    What actually happens is you get the topic distilled down to what it’s really all about, and the actual pot-stirrers resort to lazy ad hominem instead of addressing the facts. See above.
     

    outrider58

    Eats Bacon Raw
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 29, 2014
    50,068
    Hey glad to see this thread ending like most on this forum, with 4-5 of the High Count know it all posters kissing each others ass after they run everyone who disagrees with them off the thread. Great Job, no wonder most of you have listed yourselves on your profiles as "pot stirrer" and "agitator". Now that is a "Dick" statement !

    And it was received as such. Thank you for calling in!
     

    Bob A

    όυ φροντισ
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    30,989
    Hey glad to see this thread ending like most on this forum, with 4-5 of the High Count know it all posters kissing each others ass after they run everyone who disagrees with them off the thread. Great Job, no wonder most of you have listed yourselves on your profiles as "pot stirrer" and "agitator". Now that is a "Dick" statement !

    Yet I see you're still here. (Have you decided to end the thread?)

    Does that make you a High Count know-it-all too? You certainly seem willing to run off everyone who disagrees with you. Must be annoying when they stick around.
     

    Glaron

    Camp pureblood 13R
    BANNED!!!
    MDS Supporter
    Mar 20, 2013
    12,752
    Virginia
    Hey glad to see this thread ending like most on this forum, with 4-5 of the High Count know it all posters kissing each others ass after they run everyone who disagrees with them off the thread. Great Job, no wonder most of you have listed yourselves on your profiles as "pot stirrer" and "agitator". Now that is a "Dick" statement !

    Im still waiting for you to win.

    You need to tell me trespassers that threaten to kill me and my family... I should NOT get a firearm. These groups(BLM/Antifa) are well affiliated with Billions in damages and 100s of deaths.

    :shrug:
     
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    1911msc

    Member
    May 12, 2020
    18
    North San Diego
    Gun handling

    The couples gun handling techniques were less than steller. So wat? They were confronted by a mob of white Antifa commies and hippies intermixed with feral negro looter/rioters. All in all they held their mud and protected home and neighborhood. Scoflaws and nerdowells must be regulated and at times shot. This can't not be done without having finger on trigger. I know, I know, I know already!!!
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,960
    Socialist State of Maryland
    Hey glad to see this thread ending like most on this forum, with 4-5 of the High Count know it all posters kissing each others ass after they run everyone who disagrees with them off the thread. Great Job, no wonder most of you have listed yourselves on your profiles as "pot stirrer" and "agitator". Now that is a "Dick" statement !

    I'm curious, have you met any of us? I don't recall your handle from my times at the State House or out picketing. It's pretty obvious you don't know us or you wouldn't make some of the comments that you have.

    As far a post counts, most of us are too damn old to be concerned about such things. Maybe you should take a short sabbatical and come back when you are feeling better.
     

    eruby

    Confederate Jew
    MDS Supporter
    Hey glad to see this thread ending like most on this forum, with 4-5 of the High Count know it all posters kissing each others ass after they run everyone who disagrees with them off the thread. Great Job, no wonder most of you have listed yourselves on your profiles as "pot stirrer" and "agitator". Now that is a "Dick" statement !

    Hey jr88,

    I grew up in Bowie, when it was still Bowie.

    I hope you can make the MDS meetup at Larry's tavern on October 17 (search threads by Blaster 229).

    I believe you will see most of us are good folks.
     

    teratos

    My hair is amazing
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Jan 22, 2009
    59,840
    Bel Air
    Hey jr88,

    I grew up in Bowie, when it was still Bowie.

    I hope you can make the MDS meetup at Larry's tavern on October 17 (search threads by Blaster 229).

    I believe you will see most of us are good folks.

    Wait....even after meeting us?
     

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