TAKING FIREARMS FOR DEFENDING PROPERTY

Docster · Jul 12, 2020

Everything you're bringing up has been discussed ad nauseum. There are many threads on these subjects. Read some and many of your comments and questions will be addressed.

jr88 · Jul 12, 2020

Glaron said:
What part of private property do you not understand?
You may be the first person I ever ignore.

It is stark raving clear the mob wanted a reaction. Stupid people are defending the mob.

Invite them to live in your house. Send pics. Or STFU.

Please do Ignore Me. There is a difference between "in your house" and on your property. Nobody is defending the MOB, I just agree with the legal action taken against the McCloskeys based on all facts I can find.

Glaron · Jul 12, 2020

Jake4U said:
What can we learn from this?

You are a disgrace to MSI. You have been intimidated by the mob. They may have handled weapons poorly, but Government told police to stand down.

The (mostly peaceful)Mob is now billions into damage. Death and carnage?

Pathetic

Occam · Jul 12, 2020

Jake4U said:
What can we learn from this?

Don't wave around your pistol. Wear it OWB so that it's obvious. If you're carrying a long gun point it at the ground. I think either would have done better with a shotgun and OWB semi autos on their belt, especially if the shotgun was the fuddiest fud gun they could find. The optics would be a lot better. That's just me.

You point your firearm at targets you plan to shoot. Everyone here knows that. IMHO, that was their mistake and why the firearms were taken. I don't think the brownshirts are quite yet ready to die for their idiology. Being armed would have been enough.

Except, in places like Maryland, doing exactly what you say would likely still result in an arrest for brandishing and huge legal bills to avoid getting railroaded. MD doesn’t really make a distinction between brandishing an un-concealed weapon on your hip or holding it in your hand.

The case has to focus on the perception that a screaming mob - in a town where similar mobs had been recently on a tear burning things down and hurting people - having just broken into gated private property, was exactly as real a threat as they were promising to be in what they were hollering.

It’s not criminal brandishing if it’s in response to someone else’s trespass and threats to kill and burn.

None of that has anything to do with learning better trigger/muzzle discipline (which I’m all for, as are we all).

Jake4U · Jul 12, 2020

Glaron said:
Are you a special sort of slow?

If you are on private property with a weapon and asked to leave? You leave. (*Insert legal *********)

The brown shirts are there to intimate the weak minded. It appears it worked. The end of private property is in the works. Every single family home is a target.

No I'm not a special kind of slow, but I do recognize what gives you a free ride with the PoPo and what lets you still be safe and drink a beer afterward in your own home. If I ever have to raise my firearm and point it at someone that will occur a mere moment before the trigger is pulled. If you aren't yet ready to pull the trigger you have no reason to wave your firearm at someone - even if it's at a mob on your front lawn. Raise your weapon and be committed to everything that happens next, otherwise keep it pointed elsewhere.

That's why their guns were taken.

Occam · Jul 12, 2020

Jake4U said:
Raise your weapon and be committed to everything that happens next, otherwise keep it pointed elsewhere.

That's why their guns were taken.

So why haven’t they been arrested, let alone charged?

Jake4U · Jul 12, 2020

Occam said:
So why haven’t they been arrested, let alone charged?

Likely that's coming. Don't underestimate a Dem prosecutor. It might be going before a grand jury. Be that as it may, note the signature. I carry. I'm aware of what may happen in the real world of an armed confrontation. If you aim your firearm at someone it's because you plan to fire. Anything else is brandishing. So be clear you plan to use lethal force.

Frankly, the couple is lucky they haven't been arrested yet.

Threeband · Jul 12, 2020

The warrant and the seizure were entirely political.

Here are links:

https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5961290&postcount=2490

Norton's posts, with maps:
Click on the blue squares with the white arrows to see the original posts with the maps. The maps don't come along with the quote.

Norton said:
Holy shit - This whole storming the gates thing in St. Louis was a publicity stunt.

If they were truly going to the mayor's house at 502 Lake Avenue, then there was no need at all for them to go through the Portland Place gates off of Kingshighway on to a private road that was gated and signed.

502 Lake Avenue, which is the legal residence of Mayor Lyda Krewson is on a public street which is outside of the marked "private community" perimeter at the intersection of Westminster Place and Lake.

Norton said:
Here is a picture of the site of the mayor's house protest according to this site, followed by a Google maps picture of their house (the door is now a different color).

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local...cle_9edc57ed-c307-583f-9226-a44ba6ac9c03.html

Lake Ave is in Google Street view until the barricaded intersection at Portland Ct, so it is clearly a public street. There was absolutely no logical reason for them to enter the Portland Place entrance just to march to the far other side of the community other than as a publicity stunt to knock down the gates.

Picture from article followed by Google Street View of house

Norton said:
In fact, making use of Google maps, the private community that abuts the Mayor's house is not the same private community that abuts the McLoskey house.

They are not contiguous, they are separated by Waterman Blvd which is clearly a public street.

If the argument is that they were already on the East side of both communities and it was too far to walk around, they could have transited down Waterman which is not gated and is a public street.

Complete horseshit.

Norton said:
This further confirms that all along this was a "whiteness" thing.

They could have easily walked one block further north and gone public streets, but they needed to go through the private community to prove a point.

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2020/06...s-lead-to-spatial-anti-blackness-in-st-louis/

ComeGet said:
In one of his interviews, Mark McCloskey said it was BS that the mob said they were going to the Mayor's house. He said her house was not in their community or close to their house. But the media, you know, just keeps repeating that this peaceful group was on it's way to legally protest and were assaulted by the evil white couple.

Jake4U · Jul 12, 2020

Some of you guys have been watching too many Clint Eastwood movies. He can point a Garand at a mob and grunt, "Get off my lawn" with no consequences. It usually doesn't work out that way in the real world.

teratos · Jul 12, 2020

Jake4U said:
Some of you guys have been watching too many Clint Eastwood movies. He can point a Garand at a mob and grunt, "Get off my lawn" with no consequences. It usually doesn't work out that way in the real world.

It should when a mob is threatening your home and your life. It’s part of the core of the 2A. Defense of self, home and hearth.

outrider58 · Jul 12, 2020

...and some people here have been listening to Hollywood too long. :sad20:

Jake4U · Jul 12, 2020

teratos said:
It should when a mob is threatening your home and your life. It’s part of the core of the 2A. Defense of self, home and hearth.

Geez, how can people not get it. Point a firearm at someone with your finger on the trigger is something you do in a lethal situation - bang is the only thing that should happen next. And then Zimmerman probably happens to you regardless of the circumstances.

So you arm up, keep it pointed down, yell, get the fu$k off my lawn while your spouse is calling the police. If the group rushes you, raise and start firing. They will be very lucky if they aren't charged with brandishing and could become prohibited persons.

Be smart. Know the law. Only point at what you are ready to fire upon. Geez.

Glaron · Jul 12, 2020

Jake4U said:
yell, get the fu$k off my lawn while your spouse is calling the police.

YEAH>>>> Keep with the mob? :sad20:

What part did you NOT see the police are ordered to stand down?

outrider58 · Jul 12, 2020

Jake4U said:
Geez, how can people not get it. Point a firearm at someone with your finger on the trigger is something you do in a lethal situation - bang is the only thing that should happen next. And then Zimmerman probably happens to you regardless of the circumstances.

So you arm up, keep it pointed down, yell, get the fu$k off my lawn while your spouse is calling the police. If the group rushes you, raise and start firing. They will be very lucky if they aren't charged with brandishing and could become prohibited persons.

Be smart. Know the law. Only point at what you are ready to fire upon. Geez.

These people are guilty of ignorance more than anything else. With the onset of the 'panpanic', then the BLM bs, people whom never thought of buying a gun were recently forced to face a new reality. Their own personal safety. We all know this. It's the gorilla in the room. It wasn't all of us buying shotguns and pistols off the shelves faster than they could restock. It was those who never considered the need for a gun until now.

The only thing these people are guilty of is ignorance of local gun laws and proper use of firearms within those laws.

This is purely P O L I T I C A L!

Jake4U · Jul 12, 2020

So in a situation where progressive/Marxist politicians tell the police to stand down you're going to brandish a firearm (point it at them with your finger on the trigger) while the little cucks on your yard yell mean things at you all while capturing everything on the phone mommy bought them. That's just foolish. The moment you raise it is the moment you start shooting. Anything else is keyboard trolling and massive ignorance of what will happen to you THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO if you were smart about it.

After the fact the guy should then have sued the city to replace his fence. He's a lawyer. His legal time is free. Use the suit to expose the politicians who let it happen. Get them voted out. That's how adults respond.

randomuser · Jul 12, 2020

Jake4U said:
So you arm up, keep it pointed down, yell, get the fu$k off my lawn while your spouse is calling the police. If the group rushes you, raise and start firing. They will be very lucky if they aren't charged with brandishing and could become prohibited persons.

It's pretty messed up that they are most likely going to be charged after a mob literally broke down a gate to get to that point. Can we have charges against everyone who passed the broken threshold and entered the gated property and just leave the homeowners who were on their property alone?

Doctor_M · Jul 12, 2020

Boxcab said:
Geocaching for the win! Perfect example of why one might want to do so.

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This. I will never allow myself to be completely disarmed. And if someone red flags me and it becomes illegal for me to possess arms because the government decides it is for my own good... well at that point I will be an outlaw.

outrider58 · Jul 12, 2020

Jake4U said:
So in a situation where progressive/Marxist politicians tell the police to stand down you're going to brandish a firearm (point it at them with your finger on the trigger) while the little cucks on your yard yell mean things at you all while capturing everything on the phone mommy bought them. That's just foolish. The moment you raise it is the moment you start shooting. Anything else is keyboard trolling and massive ignorance of what will happen to you THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO if you were smart about it.

After the fact the guy should then have sued the city to replace his fence. He's a lawyer. His legal time is free. Use the suit to expose the politicians who let it happen. Get them voted out. That's how adults respond.

And what if after the fact, he's too dead to do that? What then?

rbird7282 · Jul 12, 2020

jr88 said:
You even talk like a cowboy wanna be, "2A Righteousness ", "Cap" LOL

As for the Troll, I have been a member longer than you and I joined the sight because I am a gun enthusiast who enjoys the shooting sports. I just don't swallow everything I hear like some just because it comes from the side that supports 2A. If I were a Troll, I would post more like you with the 27K posts

Maybe you aren’t being a troll in your mind, but you are being a d*ck however.

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teratos · Jul 12, 2020

Jake4U said:
Geez, how can people not get it. Point a firearm at someone with your finger on the trigger is something you do in a lethal situation - bang is the only thing that should happen next. And then Zimmerman probably happens to you regardless of the circumstances.

So you arm up, keep it pointed down, yell, get the fu$k off my lawn while your spouse is calling the police. If the group rushes you, raise and start firing. They will be very lucky if they aren't charged with brandishing and could become prohibited persons.

Be smart. Know the law. Only point at what you are ready to fire upon. Geez.

Finger on the trigger was dumb. That’s lack of training. My rifle would have been at low ready. This was a potentially lethal situation for the homeowners. How do you keep glossing over that important little tidbit?

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