Zirkin has a challenger after 12 years

Zorros · Mar 13, 2018

Zirkin is the chair of the senate judiciary bill, where the senate gun bills are first heard, and approved ( or not). He has a challenger for his senate seat for the first time in 12 years. I suggest we all watch what he does in HIS committee re the current crop of gun bills before it and even if the challenger is progressive contribute accordingly. Carrot or stick. The progressive if he wins will just be another senate voice and will not chair that committee.

rseymorejr · Mar 13, 2018

We should support his opponent, even if he's Bernie Sanders

Allen65 · Mar 13, 2018

How do I send the opponent campaign contributions?

JCB003 · Mar 13, 2018

This guy is running because Zirkin is not progressive enough!

Bikebreath · Mar 13, 2018

JCB003 said:
This guy is running because Zirkin is not progressive enough!

Oy...

Mr H · Mar 13, 2018

Bikebreath said:
Oy...

Yeah...

Then, if there's no R in the race, it becomes a complete crapshoot.

The only glimmer is that the Prog would be a stone cold back bencher.

Name Taken · Mar 13, 2018

Folks really need to weight some options here and not be knee jerked over gun bills.

Zirkin has certainly dropped the ball as far as my views are concerned however he did voice against Man/Min 5 years for transporting illegally. He's also tabled many non gun bills that I didn't support and he has brought to vote several bills to knock them down to send a message to the writers.

Unless the person is a staunched conservative we can do FAR worst in the Democratic world that is Maryland.

Zorros · Mar 13, 2018

JCB003 said:
This guy is running because Zirkin is not progressive enough!

According to the sun, yes indeed. Can you imagine?

Allen65 · Mar 13, 2018

Keep in mind his potential replacement, regardless of political philosophy, will not have the seniority to be a committee chair in the Senate.

The question isn't who replaces Zirkin in his seat, but who replaces him as SJPC Chair.

Jaybeez · Mar 14, 2018

Zirkin has been a fair Judicial proceeding committee chairman.
The primary challenger is pressure on him from his own party to be less fair.

Supporting that pressure, works against us.

Remember 2013. It was just about this time in 2013 when the O'Malley wing of the Democrat party announced a challenger to Brochin. And shortly after Brochin flipped on us, and voted for fsa2013. We are seeing a repeat of that tactic.

If anything, Zirkin, running in a moderate district, needs our support.

I'm always amazed by new members with ideas that seem to work against us.

Zorros · Mar 14, 2018

Jaybeez said:
Zirkin has been a fair Judicial proceeding committee chairman.
The primary challenger is pressure on him from his own party to be less fair.

Supporting that pressure, works against us.

Remember 2013. It was just about this time in 2013 when the O'Malley wing of the Democrat party announced a challenger to Brochin. And shortly after Brochin flipped on us, and voted for fsa2013. We are seeing a repeat of that tactic.

If anything, Zirkin, running in a moderate district, needs our support.

I'm always amazed by new members with ideas that seem to work against us.

New does not mean those ideas are ignorant or dumb, however. As a registered state lobbyist for many years, working primarily before the house and senate hudiciary committees, frosh and vallario, involved intimately in client policy decision re financial contributions, we concluded after much discussion you do not financially support/ reward those who stick it to your interests. I said watch and wait. See what he does. If he sticks it to gun interests act accordingly.

Bikebreath · Mar 14, 2018

Zorros said:
New does not mean those ideas are ignorant or dumb, however. As a registered state lobbyist for many years, working primarily before the house and senate hudiciary committees, frosh and vallario, involved intimately in client policy decision re financial contributions, we concluded after much discussion you do not financially support/ reward those who stick it to your interests. I said watch and wait. See what he does. If he sticks it to gun interests act accordingly.

Many views and a wide range of experience is the real value of this forum. It's nice to know it's all pooled here for us to work together.

esqappellate · Mar 14, 2018

Name Taken said:
Folks really need to weight some options here and not be knee jerked over gun bills.

Zirkin has certainly dropped the ball as far as my views are concerned however he did voice against Man/Min 5 years for transporting illegally. He's also tabled many non gun bills that I didn't support and he has brought to vote several bills to knock them down to send a message to the writers.

Unless the person is a staunched conservative we can do FAR worst in the Democratic world that is Maryland.

Agreed! Zirkin is liberal, to be sure, but he is fair while sitting as Chair and I have to respect that.

East2West · Mar 15, 2018

Jaybeez said:
Zirkin has been a fair Judicial proceeding committee chairman.
The primary challenger is pressure on him from his own party to be less fair.

Supporting that pressure, works against us.

Remember 2013. It was just about this time in 2013 when the O'Malley wing of the Democrat party announced a challenger to Brochin. And shortly after Brochin flipped on us, and voted for fsa2013. We are seeing a repeat of that tactic.

If anything, Zirkin, running in a moderate district, needs our support.

I'm always amazed by new members with ideas that seem to work against us.

Why on earth would anyone in this community suggest supporting someone who has helped destroy our gun rights? Zirkin deserves nothing but a pink slip.

Name Taken · Mar 15, 2018

East2West said:
Why on earth would anyone in this community suggest supporting someone who has helped destroy our gun rights? Zirkin deserves nothing but a pink slip.

And replace him with who? Someone worst?

You need to evaluate each candidate and some times pick the best of the worst. Voting against Zirkin who has made several sound decisions (outside of Medical Marji and gun laws) isn't that bad compared to some of the other loons in the GA.

Bikebreath · Mar 15, 2018

East2West said:
Why on earth would anyone in this community suggest supporting someone who has helped destroy our gun rights? Zirkin deserves nothing but a pink slip.

There’s an old saying, “jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.”

Zirkin = frying pan

Challenger from the land of Unicorns = fire.

East2West · Mar 15, 2018

I'm not talking about supporting his opponent( even though that opponent wouldn't walk into the leadership positions Zirkin has in the GA so he would have the pull Zirkin does). I'm talking about the line of "Zirkin running in a moderate district needs our help".

Bikebreath · Mar 15, 2018

East2West said:
I'm not talking about supporting his opponent( even though that opponent wouldn't walk into the leadership positions Zirkin has in the GA so he would have the pull Zirkin does). I'm talking about the line of "Zirkin running in a moderate district needs our help".

Got’cha.

Biggfoot44 · Mar 15, 2018

Maryland is Maryland.

( Not saying if applys to Zirkin, just observing generally)

No Committee Chair is ever going to let one of "our" Bills out of Committee without exppress orders from Dem leadership. Period. Ever.

Beyond that one immutable truth , still lots of variables .

Rabidly anti personally, or dgaf ?

Apply BS detector for logic. To anti bills ?

Be laid back about amendments, so long as sort of give appearence of following orders ?

Give both sides equal treatment in testimony ?

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