Carr. Co. Sheriff's Church Incident Training

Engine4 · Nov 10, 2017

"Sheriff's Office to host Critical Incident Preparedness training for local Church leaders"

Westminster, Carroll County, Maryland; November 10, 2017 ----
On Wednesday, November 15th, 2017, at 1 pm, the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office will provide a training seminar on Critical Incident Preparedness. This training will be specifically geared towards local Church leaders, and will cover such topics as incident planning, situational awareness, and response. The event is expected to last approximately 2 hours.

Similar training has been provided at Carroll County Public Schools over the past few years. Based largely from that curriculum, this training will focus specifically on the Church environment.

The training will be conducted at the Carroll County Public Safety Training Center, located at 50 Kate Wagner Road, Westminster. Please RSVP with Sergeant Michael Zepp at mzepp@ccg.carr.org, or by phone at 410-386-2570. We hope all local area Church leaders can attend.

songlaw · Nov 10, 2017

How sad that this is necessary.

Engine4 · Nov 10, 2017

songlaw said:
How sad that this is necessary.

Yep. I'm going anyway, possibly to present another viewpoint (pro self defense). We'll see how it goes.

HRDWRK · Nov 10, 2017

Engine4 said:
Yep. I'm going anyway, possibly to present another viewpoint (pro self defense). We'll see how it goes.

I wonder who will do the training, the Sheriff or a deputy!
And the stance on 2A!
I may also attend just to observe!

dlmarion · Nov 10, 2017

Great. If it's like the schools, it will be lock the door, stay away from the windows, etc. My wife has had the CCPS training several times. No talk of being on offense when the perp walks in the room... hurry up and wait to be a victim.

Engine4 · Nov 10, 2017

dlmarion said:
No talk of being on offense when the perp walks in the room... hurry up and wait to be a victim.

Has she said if anyone has ever pushed back & asked why?

dlmarion · Nov 10, 2017

She did. Instructor, being former LE, agreed but said it's not county policy. Some of the other teachers in the training we're shocked that she was thinking that way.

Reptile · Nov 10, 2017

I was asked several months ago to be one of a dozen or so parishioners at my church to attend a Howard County training session on crowd management. It was required by county regulations that organizations having large assemblies of people have one person per 200 people take the training and be certified. It turned out to be completely focused on fire safety and orderly evacuation and was a "check the box" activity. I've asked about active shooter training, but there appears to be no interest, even though we often have as many as 1000 people in our facility at one time.

DontTreadOnMe · Nov 11, 2017

dlmarion said:
Great. If it's like the schools, it will be lock the door, stay away from the windows, etc.

That may work in a classroom in a school on the opposite side of campus of a school shooting, but a church sanctuary is a big room; once the shooter is inside there’s nothing to lock to keep the shooter out.

It will be interesting to hear a recap on this. Please let us know how it went.

songlaw · Nov 11, 2017

In my ccw class, there was a minister from Balto. City, who stated that things were so bad that many churches have someone with an AR in the back, keeping watch during service. That’s pretty f’ed up.

Blaster229 · Nov 11, 2017

songlaw said:
In my ccw class, there was a minister from Balto. City, who stated that things were so bad that many churches have someone with an AR in the back, keeping watch during service. That’s pretty f’ed up.

And great all at the same time.

AlBeight · Nov 12, 2017

Blaster229 said:
And great all at the same time.

Amen! Where do we sign up for that?

Engine4 · Nov 15, 2017

It wasn't a bad presentation. More people there than I thought would be, about 75 showed up. Sheriff Dewees started it out, & surprisingly emphasized how the only way to stop bad guys is a good guy with a gun. I made a point afterwards to thank him for that. He didn't discourage gun ownership or carrying, but did say it should be done legally, bringing up how it's only legal to carry a handgun in your vehicle when going to or from a gunstore or a range. I didn't bring up designated collector status. :lol2:

The bulk was presented by Sgt Mike Zepp, who is fully bearded with tattoos covering both arms. :thumbsup:

Mostly he spoke about having a situational awareness mindset, along with being able to fight with what you might have available to you. He also went into how to read an individual by clothing, attitude, etc.

pbharvey · Dec 4, 2017

HoCo is having a similar seminar this week

Howard County Police Department

THIS THURSDAY: Join the Howard County Police Department at an event discussing police and civilian response to violence in Houses of Worship. Gain insight to potential threats and hazards that may exist and hear safety tips and best practices for leaders and congregation members.

WHEN: Thursday, Dec. 7, 6:30-8:30 p.m.
WHERE: Howard Community College, 10901 Little Patuxent Pkwy, Columbia--Health Sciences building in the Nursing lecture hall (main level, room #150)
PARKING: Lots A, B and C are closest
RSVP: Space is limited! Contact HCPD's Community Outreach Division at 410-313-2207 or HCPDOutreach@howardcountymd.gov

Engine4 · Dec 4, 2017

pbharvey said:
HoCo is having a similar seminar this week

I'll bet that one doesn't get opened by the sheriff saying "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".

pbharvey · Dec 4, 2017

Engine4 said:
I'll bet that one doesn't get opened by the sheriff saying "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".

We are a civil county full of diversity.
We have no heavily bearded and tatted police officers; that sends the wrong message.

Blaster229 · Dec 4, 2017

pbharvey said:
We are a civil county full of diversity.
We have no heavily bearded and tatted police officers; that sends the wrong message.

Which one is the gay? I'm gonna say the Oriental one.

Anne Arundel has no tattoo issues. Hell, we even have one who has full sleeves and tats up to his neck. I don't think beards are uniform tho.

pbharvey · Dec 4, 2017

Blaster229 said:
Which one is the gay? I'm gonna say the Oriental one.

Anne Arundel has no tattoo issues. Hell, we even have one who has full sleeves and tats up to his neck. I don't think beards are uniform tho.

My money is on one or both of the girls. Pretty sure I've seen HoCo officers with sleeves.
Can you wear a gas mask with a beard?

Blaster229 · Dec 4, 2017

pbharvey said:
My money is on one or both of the girls. Pretty sure I've seen HoCo officers with sleeves.
Can you wear a gas mask with a beard?

Sure. May not seal well. But you can. LOL

WeaponsCollector · Dec 4, 2017

The training will be seriously flawed if they do not encourage armed security of some sort, killers prefer unarmed victims and when seconds count the police are just minutes away!

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