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    teratos

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    Jan 22, 2009
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    You are bent over a barrel. There is a man with a leather gimp mask with a 15" strap-on. No lube.

    Say it with me......"I stand by my principles"
    He shoves it in.
    Say it again......."I stand by my principles"
    He puts on a BIGGER one.
    Say it again......"I stand by my principles"


    Irreparable damage has been done. Things are wrecked. If Larry Hogan were elected, it would be nowhere near as bad.

    As you empty your colostomy bag, I hope "I stood by my principles" is enough consolation to account for all you have lost to Jealous.
     

    East2West

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    Jul 20, 2013
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    You are bent over a barrel. There is a man with a leather gimp mask with a 15" strap-on. No lube.

    Say it with me......"I stand by my principles"
    He shoves it in.
    Say it again......."I stand by my principles"
    He puts on a BIGGER one.
    Say it again......"I stand by my principles"


    Irreparable damage has been done. Things are wrecked. If Larry Hogan were elected, it would be nowhere near as bad.

    As you empty your colostomy bag, I hope "I stood by my principles" is enough consolation to account for all you have lost to Jealous.


    BJ is slinging the 15 inch one, but to make life "easier" youre begging for Larry to jump in with the 12 inch one instead. I guess 12 might be a lot easier to handle than 15, either way youre getting.... well, damaged.

    I KNOW I KNOW, THERES NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE I GET IT.

    But we cant act like Larrys a saint.
     

    teratos

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    Jan 22, 2009
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    So let's throw our undivided support behind Hogan...maybe he'll even win by a wide margin...what's that say about us? That we like and support his "common sense" approach to gun rights and legislation, his stance against the NRA, his anti-Trump rhetoric? I don't support any of that and can't vote for a man who does.

    Hogan has been a disappointment for all who hoped he'd be a friend to the 2A. I cannot sing Hogan's praises. He's been good for the economy of MD, but that is not the issue at hand.

    The only reason to vote for Hogan is to use him to block something much worse. He will actively work to further suppress our rights, increase taxes etc. Show me evidence or rights being regained once lost. It doesn't happen very often. Use Hogan to block Jealous. I know the Colorado contingent on MDS keeps pushing for Craig, but a vote for Craig is a vote for Jealous.
     

    teratos

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    Jan 22, 2009
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    BJ is slinging the 15 inch one, but to make life "easier" youre begging for Larry to jump in with the 12 inch one instead. I guess 12 might be a lot easier to handle than 15, either way youre getting.... well, damaged.

    I KNOW I KNOW, THERES NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE I GET IT.

    But we cant act like Larrys a saint.

    No, Larry's dick is limp.
     

    trailman

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    Nov 15, 2011
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    Asked and answered. You won't even acknowledge the broader reality of the situation, so ... no, you're not serious.

    The way to change Maryland is one seat at at time. And the MDGOP doesn't have the wherewithal to do it. Up here they spend more time bashing each other than going after the other side. Several elections they didn't even have a candidate against Ron Young. Hell I saw him the other day at the grocery store, didn't have a cart and I think he didn't even know where he was.

    What every one wants here is an instant fix when the long game is what need to be played. Its hard for conservatives because we are too busy being productive citizens than to fight a political battle like the Progressives do.

    Based on most voter turnout there are enough registered voters that don't vote to flip any election. Many assembly seats are determined by hundreds or less votes. The MDGOP needs to get down in the dirt, play the game, get out and message to people door to door. And I'm not just talking politicians per se.

    For example "Frederick County" messaging.

    Pol D "I support schools and teachers and we need to give them more money because its for the children. Vote for me."

    Pol R "I support schools and teachers and we need to give them more money because its for the children. However the County School board just wasted over 4 million dollars on computer equipment that was never deployed to the schools and it rotted in the warehouse. They hid this to justify additional budget requests. Those computers were destined for the classroom for teachers and no one was held accountable, Did you know that
    the county school board has never had its books audited? Vote for me and I'll make sure at the state level there are checks on how we spend our local and state education tax dollars so the bureaucrats don't keep it from the children and teachers that need it."


    EVERY politician has dirt in the closet. Find it and publish it. Hell the progressives drop big lies all the time. At least we can fight with small truths but it takes time. Every one of those F'ers is corrupt. Dig it up and use it. But it takes a plan, strategy and time. How do you think Chris Van Hollen engineered the takeover of congress and shoved Obamacare down our throats? He found he reddest Democrats and ran them against weak republicans in purple areas.

    Problem is as a group and a party we lead with our dicks instead of our brains. Pretty evident here with all the bashing and we are all supposed to be on the same side. :mad54:
     

    noahhh

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    Bravo to all the narrow-minded but "principled" people who would rather piss away their vote on a 3rd party candidate who hasn't a ghost of a chance of winning, or not vote at all. Wake up to the fact that every election in history has more or less been an exercise in compromising ideals.

    Make no mistake- this fall's campaign will probably get ugly. The Libtards will pull out all the stops in the process of demonizing the rational side of the electorate. It's the continuation of the long standing bitterness between far left and far right, spilling over into our fair state. Far right "principled" people are no better than far left "principled" people- neither faction represents the majority of citizens, but both cause a lot of anguish.

    You may laugh and make light of "the Silent Majority", that great big middle of the road majority of people, but they/we are the one's that ultimately decide society's fate. Venomous rhetoric from both the far left and far right does nothing more than alienate the very people whose votes will ultimately sway the election.

    BJ? Meh. The only BJ I'll allow in my life involves my GF....:innocent0
     

    EL1227

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    Vote for BJ ...

    Ben Jealous - Wikipedia

    In 2014 Jealous became a senior partner at Kapor Capital, a firm that leverages the tech sector to create progressive social change. He also joined the Center for American Progress as a senior fellow. A progressive Democrat, he first endorsed Bernie Sanders in his 2016 campaign for U.S. President, supporting Hillary Clinton after she was nominated as candidate by the Democratic Party.

    raw
     

    East2West

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    Bravo to all the narrow-minded but "principled" people who would rather piss away their vote on a 3rd party candidate who hasn't a ghost of a chance of winning, or not vote at all. Wake up to the fact that every election in history has more or less been an exercise in compromising ideals.

    Make no mistake- this fall's campaign will probably get ugly. The Libtards will pull out all the stops in the process of demonizing the rational side of the electorate. It's the continuation of the long standing bitterness between far left and far right, spilling over into our fair state. Far right "principled" people are no better than far left "principled" people- neither faction represents the majority of citizens, but both cause a lot of anguish.

    You may laugh and make light of "the Silent Majority", that great big middle of the road majority of people, but they/we are the one's that ultimately decide society's fate. Venomous rhetoric from both the far left and far right does nothing more than alienate the very people whose votes will ultimately sway the election.

    BJ? Meh. The only BJ I'll allow in my life involves my GF....:innocent0


    Agreed, the non-principled middle of the road folks decide society's fate. Compromising on principles has led us to a Republican Governor gladly stomping on the Constitution. As well as produced a Republican party that is jettisoning away from conservatism at break neck speed.

    Thank you!!!!

    Maybe you guys are playing 4D chess to break up the 2 party system? If so a heads up would have been nice.
     

    iH8DemLibz

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    Apr 1, 2013
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    Larry Hogan to the Capital Gazette.



    On June 28, the Annapolis community, the Capital Gazette, and most importantly the lives of five victims and their families were shattered by an act of unthinkable violence. In recent years, we’ve seen far too many similar acts of brutality. The Capital’s editorial board is right to publicly call for solutions.
    I’ll leave it to others to try to explain how any person could perpetrate senseless violence like what we saw in Annapolis last month. I instead want to address The Capital and all those seeking better answers from their leaders. Our citizens need to feel safe where they work, play, go to school, and live. When violence erupts that shakes our confidence so profoundly, we must come together.

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    All too frequently in the wake of similar tragedies, the opportunity to have a real conversation about change seems pushed aside by the most sensational and most rigid voices. It is understandable that people are angry — so am I — but we cannot let anger and orthodoxy stand in the way of productive dialogue and commonsense ideas.



    We must never forget the lives of Gerald Fischman, Rob Hiaasen, John McNamara, Rebecca Smith, and Wendi Winters. We remember their names and honor their memories, but failure to act does a disservice to all they stood for.

    The truth is, violence such as we saw that day will not be solved by any one tool, intervention, or piece of legislation. I would, however, suggest that the model for how we begin is close to home.
    Just this last legislative session, I worked with state lawmakers to pass landmark “Red Flag” legislation that allows a court to remove firearms from those who pose an immediate and present danger to themselves or others. Stakeholders across the political spectrum worked together to create a balanced piece of legislation I was proud to sign, along with a bill that bans bump stocks and another to keep guns away from domestic abusers.
    Will this red flag law stop all future shooters? Of course not — the hard truth is that no one law can. But we cannot stop there.
    We need better information sharing between the courts, law enforcement, and probation. Our data systems need to be able to talk to each other and share information so that we don’t miss important leads and fail to stop the next shooter.
    This is not to second-guess law enforcement who are already overburdened in their work, but to point out that we simply must find ways to better share information, assess threats, and take action to prevent future tragedies.
    Maryland already has the toughest gun laws in the country, but it is clear to me that an effective, nationwide, universal background check system to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals and the dangerously mentally ill is a tool police need to stop more shooters. That’s just common sense and it is something I will continue to support.
    It is also essential that we fully understand the role that mental illness can play in these shootings. People with mental illness should not be stigmatized; they need the same help as a person suffering from other diseases.
    The bipartisan school safety legislation that I proposed and worked with legislators to pass this year takes significant steps to tackle mental health in our schools. It requires each school system to develop assessment teams to engage students experiencing mental health crises, and provides funding to help schools hire mental health counselors and school resource officers. I would like to see more ideas like this.
    Finally, as your governor, I have a responsibility to every Marylander. In 2016, there were 707 firearm deaths in our state including 251 suicides and 436 homicides. Last year, I was horrified to see 342 murders in Baltimore City alone, and the overwhelming majority of those murders were committed using illegal handguns.
    Hundreds of people are dying every year in our state, yet when we talk about new firearms laws, we often fixate on acts of violence rooted in mental illness and not cold-blooded murders committed by career criminals and repeat violent offenders.
    During the last legislative session, we came together to pass my proposal for increased penalties for criminals using guns to terrorize our communities, as well as tougher sentences for repeat violent offenders. I firmly believe that as we talk about how we work to reduce gun violence, we cannot ignore the violence carried out by ruthless criminal gangs.



    Prosecutors, police and courts need tools to take bad people, carrying out heinous gun crimes, off the street for good.
    Here in Annapolis, there is more that we can and should do to honor the victims and memories of the Capital Gazette shooting. Aside from any one policy, bill, funding, or law enforcement action, however, is a shared commitment to civil discourse, reasoned ideas, and, perhaps most importantly, listening to each other on how we can work together to prevent these tragedies.
    For too long now, we have looked to Washington to solve our problems and they have failed. Both sides have failed, precisely because there are two sides.
    There is only one side to this issue and it is about saving human lives. We may disagree about the right course to pursue, but can we all check our party IDs at the door and agree to disagree civilly about how to best solve this?
    That is how we’ve worked together in Annapolis to tackle health care, jobs, education, and the environment. I know we can do the same to honor the memories of those we lost and prevent future acts of violence.
     

    Occam

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    Feb 24, 2018
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    Compromising on principles has led us to a Republican Governor gladly stomping on the Constitution.

    No, compromise is the ONLY reason we've got a Republican governor at all. The alternative was a liberal executive wildly more anxious to aggressively damage your rights and tax your existence. The alternative in the next election is an avowed socialist who will double down on that craziness and who doesn't think you should be allowed to have a shotgun.

    Your one-note purity test is the shortest path to guaranteeing far left control of Maryland for the foreseeable future. That what your principles are calling for: a socialist governor and everything he's been promising to do to us. Examine those principles - they need review and some sober thought. Because you don't get to have a pure, one-topic candidate. That person doesn't exist. Burning down the state and handing it to socialists in a tantrum isn't a very principled course of action.
     

    44man

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    I didn't read the 12 pages prior but I have to point out that the state doesn't revolve around us and our 2A needs/desires. While Hogan's actions towards us are completely distasteful, he has been extremely hawkish on the economy whereas Jealous's economic plans would be absolutely disastrous to everyone who has a job. Our taxes would skyrocket and the money would be tossed down the sewer and policies/laws put in place that we would never get rid of. More of those that have the means will leave and more of those that have no means and rely on the system for a living will take their place - leaving the rest of us holding a sh*tty stick. I may not like everything Hogan does, but he will definitely have my vote over Jealous.

    We have to get rid of the mindset that 2A is the only issue that matters.

    Without the 2a how do we defend all the other rights and ourselves?

    Nope the 2a needs to front and foremost all the time
     

    Occam

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    Nope the 2a needs to front and foremost all the time

    Then put it there, in your own judgement about who to vote for, and which candidate is least likely (in a state with a gun-hostile population of deep blue majority suburban voters) to damage us.

    But in this state, with the demographics we face, any candidate that makes their public profile first and foremost about gun rights (as opposed to about everything from transportation to taxes to health insurance costs to education and a million other things that far more people care far more about) WILL LOSE, EVERY TIME. The fastest way to reduce our influence over Maryland's laws and governance is to insist that the candidates we support come across as full-on gun nuts with everything else taking a back seat. That's the surest possible recipe for more, worse, and permanent marginalization.
     

    Art3

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    My plan is not about the 2018 election. It's about 2022 and beyond.

    Every election cycle Marylanders have to choose between the lesser of two evils. I started calling them sh!t sandwiches, IH8DEMLIBS said today a sh!t sandwich and a sh!t sandwich with cheese. That's a good analogy. Every election cycle the Maryland GOP dangles a sh!t sandwich with cheese in front of you and every election you bite it, because hey, its better than the one with no cheese. Never mind the fact that you actually want a Papas double crab cake platter. You're presented a sh!t sandwich with cheese, and you blindly take a bite. You're never going to get anything but a sh!t sandwich with cheese, because you never request anything more, you just take your bite, have a sip of Victory Gin, and go about your day.

    If you go back and look at the vote totals for each election since 1974 (I picked that date because i was born in 72, so it's every election in my lifetime) you will see that the smallest margin of victory is about 6,000 votes in 1994 (I voted for Saurbrey then, BTW) and the greatest is over 400,000 votes. They average anywhere from 30,000 - 300,000 votes. That 6k was the closest by far. Hogan beat Brown by 80,000 votes. Also, if you look at the write-ins, 2-4k is all they get total.

    The MDGOP analyzes every single vote cast in Maryland six ways to Sunday. They look at demographics, zip codes, etc. They might not know your exact name, but they know roughly where you live, how much money you earn, what your age and race and religion are, and they know you took a bite of the last 3 or 4 or however many sh!t sandwiches they offered, so they will find another sh!t sandwich like the last ones for you to vote for.

    Now, if we can get just 2,000 Maryland voters to write in NO GUN GRABBERS for governor, that will get the attention of the MDGOP. They believe that every R and a lot of D's and I's are going to bite the Hogan sh!t sandwich. To see registered Republicans not biting that sandwich will shock them. And seeing 2,000 of them write in NO GUN GRABBERS will definitely get their attention. You'll start to see more 2A friendly R candidates in all the races in 2022 and beyond.

    2,000 votes taken from Hogan won't give the election to Jealous. 2,000 write ins for NO GUN GRABBERS might upgrade your sh!t sandwich with cheese to Oscar Meyer bologna on white in 2022.

    No matter if Hogan or Jealous is the winner, your 2A rights are going to be worse in 2022 than they are today. Maryland gun owners need to take a stand. You cannot keep doing the same thing each election and expect things to change. You have to make that change happen.

    Never underestimate the power of the dark side. I am not so confident that Hogan will win this election, with or without these proposed 2K votes. It sounds like A LOT of Republicans already aren't going to vote for him. Judging by the pictures, you'd think he'd have all the votes of the Moms Demand Action...:lol2:yeah, right.

    Do the write in votes really get seen? Honestly, the only one's I've ever heard reported in any election are Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse. I'm sure they will have a good showing in this election.

    Gov. Jealous in 2018 does not fit into MY plan for 2022


    At some point Maryland gun owners need to take a stand against gun grabbers and let the MDGOP know that the candidates they keep spoon feeding us are sh!t and you won't vote for them anymore. I LOVE the work that the Patriot Picket does and I've donated money to the cause, but what good does it really do to protest one day and then trip over each other rushing to the polls to vote for a gun grabber who disavows the NRA and it's members? I don't get it.

    Consider these numbers, from Wikipedia. I was born in 1972. These are the election results for every Maryland governor race in my lifetime:



    Those of you who think that Jealous will win if you don't vote for Hogan are delusional. No race in my lifetime has been that close. If 2,000 MDS members write in "NO GUN GRABBERS" instead of voting for Hogan, you will not sway the election one way or the other. You will however, send a strong message to the MDGOP.

    I guess I'm delusional...but I doubt I'm alone. I don't know how to quote what you quoted, but I looked at the wiki page...all the way back. There is some interesting information there that I didn't know. If I'm reading it correctly, the only time we've had a 2 term Repubican governor since 1867 was in 1954. Ehrlich got effectively trounced in 2006 by O'Malley, then again in 2010. I guess the Republicans got sent a message about his single term in office. In fact, according to that page, in the past 160 years, we have had 7 Republican governors (8 terms worth) and 30 terms worth of Dem Govs..

    Look at 1934. Nice (R) won by a 6149 votes. :party29: But...there were 6773 votes for Socialist Mitchell. I bet there were a lot of Dems wishing votes hadn't been throw away to the Socialst 3rd party :innocent0 (not that it matters in their big plans...Nice (R) lost by over 10% in the following election)


    Yeah...looking at MD's voting history, Hogan is a shoe in. :sarcasm:




    I'm thinking I might be better served spending my election day off scouting for land in PA rather than voting at all. Maybe I'll peek back in 2022 when they've gotten the message.
     

    ironpony

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    How is it that one can openly say I am a socialist, have a socialist agenda and run as a democrat?
    To answer my own question Hogan ran as a republican with and agenda not to change gun laws, has won, smells and acts more like a democrat oh and has changed gun laws.
     

    fidelity

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    Aug 15, 2012
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    I'm going to pull two statements out from the below ...

    Larry Hogan to the Capital Gazette.

    On June 28, the Annapolis community, the Capital Gazette, and most importantly the lives of five victims and their families were shattered by an act of unthinkable violence. In recent years, we’ve seen far too many similar acts of brutality. The Capital’s editorial board is right to publicly call for solutions.

    ...

    Maryland already has the toughest gun laws in the country, but it is clear to me that an effective, nationwide, universal background check system to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals and the dangerously mentally ill is a tool police need to stop more shooters. That’s just common sense and it is something I will continue to support.

    So is Hogan also suggesting that he would support background checks for face-to-face long gun sales and transfers in Maryland (meaning no longer face-to-face, but through an FFL)? Why's he using the term "common sense"? Is this the result of his people working with MDA or a similar group?


    Hundreds of people are dying every year in our state, yet when we talk about new firearms laws, we often fixate on acts of violence rooted in mental illness and not cold-blooded murders committed by career criminals and repeat violent offenders.

    During the last legislative session, we came together to pass my proposal for increased penalties for criminals using guns to terrorize our communities, as well as tougher sentences for repeat violent offenders. I firmly believe that as we talk about how we work to reduce gun violence, we cannot ignore the violence carried out by ruthless criminal gangs.

    Prosecutors, police and courts need tools to take bad people, carrying out heinous gun crimes, off the street for good.

    Agree with the above. More law enforcement, better law enforcement salaries for retention, and politicians supporting law enforcement in problem areas would also be good ... in addition to laws and judgements that keep repeat offenders locked up vs examples for the young in communities with persistent violent crime.

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    Occam

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    Feb 24, 2018
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    How is it that one can openly say I am a socialist, have a socialist agenda and run as a democrat?
    To answer my own question Hogan ran as a republican with and agenda not to change gun laws, has won, smells and acts more like a democrat oh and has changed gun laws.

    No, the legislature changed the gun laws, in ways that he can do nothing to stop. But he can do things like influence the way the executive branch actually conducts things within his reach. He can do things like shape the HPRB in a way that continues to eat away at the prevailing direction the permit topic used to go (care to guess what that board would look like under the socialist who says you shouldn't even be allowed to own a shotgun?). The governor has lots to do with things that intersect your life in Maryland, and in every single case (including guns), he's been better than a Democrat would have been and WAY better than what the socialist is promising to be.

    It's Maryland. It's mostly liberals, voting for liberals. YOU CANNOT HAVE WHAT YOU WANT, but you can have much worse than what we have now. Railing against the guy who isn't perfect, so that the guy who is promising to act, aggressively, against your interests gets more political support - that's really what you want?
     
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