HB910/SB958 Criminal Law - Untraceable Firearms

apdbobby · Feb 12, 2020

Guys this bill and the others are the beginning of total gun confiscation!!! Not to sound dramatic! But think about were it will go after this! Put FFL dealers out of business! Limited ammo purchases! No more long guns that are semi auto! Limit magazines to a capacity that no gun manufacturers make! Well unless you count .380’s

Point is we have to do something! What? Coming together as a community. Looking at replacing some of these law markers. Giving to a fund like MSI.

Brychan · Feb 12, 2020

apdbobby said:
Guys this bill and the others are the beginning of total gun confiscation!!! Not to sound dramatic! But think about were it will go after this! Put FFL dealers out of business! Limited ammo purchases! No more long guns that are semi auto! Limit magazines to a capacity that no gun manufacturers make! Well unless you count .380’s

Point is we have to do something! What? Coming together as a community. Looking at replacing some of these law markers. Giving to a fund like MSI.

Hmm how to put this delicately, no shit Sherlock.

Dureza443MP · Feb 13, 2020

Guess I'm buying a few more P80s...

LRoberts · Feb 13, 2020

INMY01TA said:
Does this include P80 builds? Asking for a friend.

They'll ban BB Guns if we let them.
:party29:

Mark75H · Feb 13, 2020

LRoberts said:
They'll ban BB Guns if we let them.

MoCo already bans their sale.

Muleskinner · Feb 13, 2020

apdbobby said:
Guys this bill and the others are the beginning of total gun confiscation!!! Not to sound dramatic! But think about were it will go after this! Put FFL dealers out of business! Limited ammo purchases! No more long guns that are semi auto! Limit magazines to a capacity that no gun manufacturers make! Well unless you count .380’s

Point is we have to do something! What? Coming together as a community. Looking at replacing some of these law markers. Giving to a fund like MSI.

And what are they going to do with it? As far as I'm concerned I might as well take $100 bill out of my wallet and light it on fire. This is Maryland. nothing is going to stop them from passing these laws and if you think the court is on your side I got news for you. The Supreme Court of the United States of America has declined to hear or ruled against the Second Amendment more than twice as much as they have ruled in favor of the Second Amendment. I do not trust them and neither should anyone else. Nothing short of using the Second Amendment for the reason why it was written is going to stop these gun grabbers. It's been 34 years since we got the handgun roster. Nothing has gotten better.

Muleskinner · Feb 13, 2020

LRoberts said:
They'll ban BB Guns if we let them.

Next to be banned will be gun shows and reloading components. Also don't be surprised if they go full California and decide that you have to buy your ammunition from a Maryland gun dealer you must register to purchase it you must pass a background check each time you buy it and you can only buy 20 rounds at a time. I would imagine they would also limit the number of rounds you're allowed to possess. They aren't finished yet not even close. And you know why? because. we .are. letting .them

Occam · Feb 13, 2020

Muleskinner said:
And you know why? because. we .are. letting .them

If by "we," you mean "the overwhelming majority of voters in the state, who like and eagerly re-elect liberal democrats to a supermajority in the state legislature," then ... yeah, "we" indeed. The small minority of us who DON'T want to see those things come to pass simply don't come close to having the numbers in the legislature. So our only real long-term hope is through the courts. And those wheels turn slowly and expensively. I put my money where my mouth is towards that end, and hope everyone realizes they need to, as well.

tailgunner · Feb 13, 2020

Stockpile 80%, finish and hide till needed.

jefflac02 · Feb 13, 2020

tailgunner said:
Stockpile 80%, finish and hide till needed.

Amen!

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Kharn · Feb 13, 2020

The fun one is all the 0% forged lowers sold over the years for $10-20 each. Did someone buy three or five, hoping to get one usable lower at the end with his high school shop skills? Now he's stuck fishing all of them out of his basement for destruction or completion/serialization before October to avoid criminal penalties. Forgotten paperweights will now become extra rifles.

clint west · Feb 13, 2020

untraceable - HB910

so as I read it they want to ban the 3D printed weapons etc, but then for all of our other builds, (80% etc) we're supposed to take them to a FFL to be "imprinted"

does the FFL imprint them (with an ink stamp?) and then send that info to anyone?

Granted we all know its all about confiscation.
And/or setting up felony landmines so they can go take the rights of those who don't keep up to date on the new "laws"

teratos · Feb 13, 2020

clint west said:
so as I read it they want to ban the 3D printed weapons etc, but then for all of our other builds, (80% etc) we're supposed to take them to a FFL to be "imprinted"

does the FFL imprint them (with an ink stamp?) and then send that info to anyone?

Granted we all know its all about confiscation.
And/or setting up felony landmines so they can go take the rights of those who don't keep up to date on the new "laws"

You need a manufacturer to put their company info on it. Once they do that, it goes in their books. Then they have to transfer it to you in accordance with State Law. Defeats the purpose.

Nickberg500 · Feb 13, 2020

What makes this bill even more despicable is... Even if this bill goes through, the only time the law would be utilized is when you're already in jail or being detained, as a "gotcha". If a cop is closely examining a lower and finding that the serial on it was a homemade one, they're just looking for more dirt to get you to plea guilty or rot in jail longer. Disgusting, all for a victimless act.

Malleovic · Feb 14, 2020

I'd like to point out again that the language of the bill currently could be argued to not impact home built firearms whatsoever.

There bill says that serialization is mandatory in accordance with federal law. Federal law says that a firearm built for personal use doesn't require serialization.

ironpony · Feb 14, 2020

apdbobby said:
I just did a 80% poly a few months ago! Great experience, little pricey. Point is the 80% poly company does sell serialized lowers just in case this law passes.

You may want to check to see if they are a "manufacturer" as described in the bill.

Kharn · Feb 14, 2020

ironpony said:
You may want to check to see if they are a "manufacturer" as described in the bill.

Polymer 80 sells 100% frames through FFLs for those that want an "official" one, so they're an 07. Would they engrave an 80% before they mailed it to you? Dunno.

ironpony · Feb 14, 2020

Kharn said:
Polymer 80 sells 100% frames through FFLs for those that want an "official" one, so they're an 07. Would they engrave an 80% before they mailed it to you? Dunno.

Not being a firearm they could do the same with a pen and pencil set ...? Lol

lennyk · Feb 14, 2020

Gentlemen, I cannot see how this garbage gets enforced.

lennyk · Feb 14, 2020

Nickberg500 said:
What makes this bill even more despicable is... Even if this bill goes through, the only time the law would be utilized is when you're already in jail or being detained, as a "gotcha". If a cop is closely examining a lower and finding that the serial on it was a homemade one, they're just looking for more dirt to get you to plea guilty or rot in jail longer. Disgusting, all for a victimless act.

I agree. The 4th amd is still there and a locked trunk is a locked trunk.

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