md_al
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So getting grandfathered is non-existent since the ATF is not granting approval?
Grandfathering for Bump Stocks or Binary Triggers
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So tbe law cannot be complied with, so this is a de facto ban, and therefore needs a lawsuit pending the federal action on the bumpstocks? Does the federal action include binary triggers as well? If not, can a lawsuit be filed now, or do we have to wait for 10/01/18?
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PowPow
Where's the beef?
The proposed ATF action does not cover binary triggers - only bump stocks. At least the way I read it.
I'll donate to support the case or be a plaintiff.
PowPow
Where's the beef?
I don't think the BATFE rule change can be enacted anyway. They can't change the law as written with a regulation - especially one so obviously different in definition. One action of the trigger vs. one pull. Action and pull are not the same thing. The law specifies action. The proposed rule change essentially attempts to craft a justification for substituting "action" with "pull". Nice try, but that ain't gonna pass muster in the courts.
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GeorgeSSR
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- Jan 31, 2009
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Once you're a member does that mean you're covered by any MSI action or must you opt-in?
I'm a supporting member of MSI and encourage others to do the same.
They are looking for folks in this situation. PM esq...
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esqappellate
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When it sues, MSI sues on behalf of itself and its members. It is not a class action.
deesly1
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- Nov 16, 2011
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What bothers me about this bill is that the gap between Oct 1st, 2018 and Oct 1, 2019. It is like they know that the law is gonna change federally and that they are gonna have the Federal government on their side by 2019. Why the gap! It does not make sense. In the bill requirements for grandfathering: part (1) we are in compliance, Part (3) we are in compliance, and Part (2) does not exist.
Question: can a law be in-acted that cannot be reasonably followed constitutional?
Question: can a law be in-acted that cannot be reasonably followed constitutional?
From MGA's perspective, the law can be complied with by not possessing a bump stock. I doubt the authors of the bill put as much thought into the wording as folks in these forums are.
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The Leatherstocking
- Jan 29, 2009
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It has nothing to do with congress. It's the Trump / Sessions Justice Department and the ATF.
I was told directly by one of the Reps that the authors of this law went around telling everyone that since Trump has told Sessions to tell the ATF to find a way to make bumpstocks illegal that by the time this would take effect in 2019 that ATF would have ruled on it and they'd be Federally illegal anyhow.
ATF has published their Notice of Proposed Rule Making which would make all bumpstocks into illegal post-1986 machineguns which will need to be destroyed.
- Nov 14, 2010
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Agreed, but Congress will also act if the DemocRATs get a majority. ATF rules can change, but laws would need to be challenged in court. Given Vegas, as well as the school shootings, 2018 is a go-for-broke year for the gun-grabbers. If they can't get elected on gun-control now, they never will.
I repeat ... Vote wisely in November
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