Complete AR-15 pistol lower

Larre · Feb 23, 2017

I have searched the forums and found a few posts about this, but I'm not confident that I know the answer. I asked my FFL and he wasn't sure.

Does anybody know if a complete AR-15 pistol lower (that is, it has a Phase 5 pistol tube attached to a complete (LPK and trigger) lower) is legal for transfer in MD? Does it transfer just like a stripped lower? I know that stripped lowers are OK, but I have never thought about a complete pistol lower before.

:shrug:

Thanks...

CrueChief · Feb 23, 2017

Will most likely need an HQL if sold as a "pistol" lower. There for will transfer like a pistol and all that entails. But I don't know for sure, just my guess.

lee2 · Feb 23, 2017

have him take the tube off the receiver. no HQL needed.

Doitsouthstyle · Feb 23, 2017

Are you asking because you don't have or won't to get an HQL? Because from my understanding stripped or complete are considered other because if you bought a complete lower with rifle stock but never installed and upper and decided to build a pistol you could because it was never a complete gun and you still have to wait 7 days for a complete rifle lower because it isn't designated as a rifle or pistol. Other wise it would be cash and carry.

Larre · Feb 23, 2017

Thanks for the response. No, I have an HQL... my concern was that because it is a "complete" pistol lower that it is somehow controlled by the Handgun list or otherwise banned. But from the responses, it would appear that basically this is equivalent to a stripped lower, so it's legal.

Hawkeye · Feb 24, 2017

CrueChief said:
Will most likely need an HQL if sold as a "pistol" lower. There for will transfer like a pistol and all that entails. But I don't know for sure, just my guess.

No.

A lower, no matter if it's a "pistol" lower or a "rifle" lower does not have any of the legally defining features to make it either a pistol or a rifle. It is an "other firearm" and is transferred as such.

OP, you will not need an HQL to buy a "pistol" lower. Your FFL should transfer it to you as an "other." Because of MSP stupidity though, you'll still have to do a 77R and have the waiting period.

outrider58 · Feb 24, 2017

Hawkeye said:
No.

A lower, no matter if it's a "pistol" lower or a "rifle" lower does not have any of the legally defining features to make it either a pistol or a rifle. It is an "other firearm" and is transferred as such.

OP, you will not need an HQL to buy a "pistol" lower. Your FFL should transfer it to you as an "other." Because of MSP stupidity though, you'll still have to do a 77R and have the waiting period.

This is who I've been waiting for^^^

Hawkeye · Feb 24, 2017

outrider58 said:
This is who I've been waiting for^^^

Awwwwwwww... gee.

:blush:

outrider58 · Feb 24, 2017

Hawkeye said:
Awwwwwwww... gee.

Damn auto correct! I meant what not who!

Hawkeye · Feb 24, 2017

Hahahahahah.

Autocorrect strikes again.

outrider58 · Feb 24, 2017

Hawkeye said:
Hahahahahah.

Autocorrect strikes again.

I was joking. I was waiting for your comment. :thumbsup:

BUT, since I have you attention, Someone asked a couple weeks ago about the LAW Tactical AR folder and the legality of putting one on a pre-ban lower. My gut reaction would be only if it were on before the ban(were they even around then?). I offered no answer. What say you?

Larre · Feb 24, 2017

Thanks Hawkeye and everyone else for the responses. This was most helpful. The new lower is now inbound...!

Hawkeye · Feb 25, 2017

outrider58 said:
I was joking. I was waiting for your comment.

BUT, since I have you attention, Someone asked a couple weeks ago about the LAW Tactical AR folder and the legality of putting one on a pre-ban lower. My gut reaction would be only if it were on before the ban(were they even around then?). I offered no answer. What say you?

I wouldn't think it would matter. If it's grandfathered, it's grandfathered. You can't make a banned rifle "more banned" by adding stuff to it. With a preban you can do whatever you like.

outrider58 · Feb 25, 2017

Hawkeye said:
I wouldn't think it would matter. If it's grandfathered, it's grandfathered. You can't make a banned rifle "more banned" by adding stuff to it. With a preban you can do whatever you like.

Thanks Hawkeye. With the price of them coming down ($185 last time I checked) I'm thinking we will see more of these appear. Only drawback with them is they do add weight the the gun.

lazarus · Feb 25, 2017

outrider58 said:
Thanks Hawkeye. With the price of them coming down ($185 last time I checked) I'm thinking we will see more of these appear. Only drawback with them is they do add weight the the gun.

Yeah but if you have a pencil barrel on that preban rifle it is already so much lighter compared to a post ban HBAR required rifle you've got a long way to go to catch up in weight.

That is one of the things I am waiting for is my 10.5" M4 profile AR pistol being finished. I figure it'll be less than 2/3rds the weight of my 20" HBAR rifle. It might even be half the weight (9lbs for the rifle with scope, pistol will wear BUIS and a red dot).

outrider58 · Feb 25, 2017

lazarus said:
Yeah but if you have a pencil barrel on that preban rifle it is already so much lighter compared to a post ban HBAR required rifle you've got a long way to go to catch up in weight.

That is one of the things I am waiting for is my 10.5" M4 profile AR pistol being finished. I figure it'll be less than 2/3rds the weight of my 20" HBAR rifle. It might even be half the weight (9lbs for the rifle with scope, pistol will wear BUIS and a red dot).

I've never had a problem with heavy rifles. :shrug:

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