MD Wear&Carry Laws and Regs
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Yes. I should hear in the next week or so. Fingers crossed.
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CypherPunk
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Send it the the LD, not the investigator. Investigator is done investigating, final decision is upstream.
Maybe I missed something in the thread. You say your a hill staffer and do not reside in Maryland yet your application is thru MSP? When I first started reading this thread I said to myself "good luck" based on your Washington location. DC gun laws are as bad or worse than ours. Been dazed and confused.
Anyone can apply for a MD W&C permit. Not just MD residents.
Kaffakid states he is a "nonresident applying for a concealed carry permit". Didn't say he currently has a permit from his own state. I thought you had to have a permit from your own state in order to apply for a MD permit? Still confused. If he just wants to "transport in Maryland" then just go for a designated collector license.
MD has no such home state requirement and a DC letter isn't a license to do anything. The transport law is very vague on definitions but simple possession of the letter doesn't allow you to have a firearm in your vehicle without a permit unless engaged iun one of the specific allowed activities. There is no legal defintion or case law on what a bona fide collector is.
Thinking it does may put you in jail.
Thinking it does may put you in jail.
So your saying I've got a problem if I want to transport my handgun to a range in PA from my home in MD?
no I'm not saying that and that's not what I said. You can do that without DC letter, as that's an allowed activity under the MD statute. But you can't drive around with your firearm in your car and then tell a cop "oh it's ok, I am a designated collector and I'm going over to my friend's house to show him my gun." May or maybe not legal as there is no case law. But you can be arrested and let your lawyer sort it out.
the former activity is legal, the latter is not.
going to a range is a specifically allowed activity under 4-203, wherever it is located
the former activity is legal, the latter is not.
going to a range is a specifically allowed activity under 4-203, wherever it is located
Thanks, I just seemed to remember reading other threads on getting carry permits from other states that the applicant has to have a valid permit from his home state. Still wondering how getting a permit from MSP is helping someone in D.C. Would think getting a D.C. Permit would be the priority. Maybe just thinking too much.
DC requires a non resident permit applicant to have a permit issued by7 another state.
MD does not.
MD does not.
True. They'll deny with or without a home state permit. Unless you tell them you own a business and routinely carry large amounts of cash.
DC CCW law is modeled on MD G&S requirements, as well the list of acceptable firearms on the MD handgun roster.
IOW, no permits for peons
IOW, no permits for peons
You don't need a permit from your home state to obtain a Wear and Carry in Maryland.
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MD Wear&Carry Laws and Regs
Earlier in this thread we've talked about the fact that PA is one of those states that - in order to get a non-resident PA carry permit - you must have a permit in your home state (if your home state issues them). Not ALL states have that requirement.
I do not have a carry from my home state so i cannot get a non-resident *PA* permit. One can get a New Hampshire non-resident permit and then carry in PA (subject to PA law obviously). I have done that as have a lot of other people.
I think that my request for a MD W&C is legitimate given my proximity to the state line (literally a stone's throw). I also think other reasons I highlighted satisfy the G&S reason threshold. I hope MSP agrees.
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Earlier in this thread we've talked about the fact that PA is one of those states that - in order to get a non-resident PA carry permit - you must have a permit in your home state (if your home state issues them). Not ALL states have that requirement.
I do not have a carry from my home state so i cannot get a non-resident *PA* permit. One can get a New Hampshire non-resident permit and then carry in PA (subject to PA law obviously). I have done that as have a lot of other people.
I think that my request for a MD W&C is legitimate given my proximity to the state line (literally a stone's throw). I also think other reasons I highlighted satisfy the G&S reason threshold. I hope MSP agrees.
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If the HPRB says "no", then, if you choose to do so, can appeal to a Circuit Court in a county of your choosing since you are an out of state resident.
Which means you can go "Judge shopping" to find one sympathetic like the Dems do.
I said the above quote on June 19th. Still nothing. The 90 business-day mark is July 14. MSP is using every single one of those 90 business days in my case.
According to the Public Safety Article, one has two remedies if s/he is denied (or "disapproved").
Ask MSP for an informal review within 10 days.
§5–311.
(a) A person who is denied a permit or renewal of a permit or whose permit is revoked or limited may request the Secretary to conduct an informal review by filing a written request within 10 days after receipt of written notice of the Secretary’s initial action.
Ask for an HPRB review within 10 days.
§5–312.
(a) (1) A person who is denied a permit or renewal of a permit or whose permit is revoked or limited may request the Board to review the decision of the Secretary by filing a written request with the Board within 10 days after receipt of written notice of the Secretary’s final action.
Question:
In both cases there is a 10-day window. Does asking for only one of those two options in that 10-day window preclude the other? The statute seems ambiguous to me. It seems like you'd have to ask for both in that 10-day window to preserve your administrative remedies to the fullest extent possible (e.g. initial denial, informal review, then HPRB).
Anyone have any experience on this?
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The statute says 90 days. The 90 business days is more MSP made up BS, like the live fire requirement for an HQL.
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