But that would require getting up and actually performing work instead of constantly schmoozing and sucking up. Wasted salary?
OMP/clearence carry permits
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But that would require getting up and actually performing work instead of constantly schmoozing and sucking up. Wasted salary?
As far as your actual question, barring the scant handful that were overturned and awarded by the HPRB, I haven't heard of any others where that combination was accepted as G&S by the LD or HPRB. OTOH, there is no way to find out the number of undisputed awards with that combination of factors made by the LD since.
So - I dunno.
As far as your actual question, barring the scant handful that were overturned and awarded by the HPRB, I haven't heard of any others where that combination was accepted as G&S by the LD or HPRB. OTOH, there is no way to find out the number of undisputed awards with that combination of factors made by the LD since.
So - I dunno.
Probably because not all of them are members here on MDS. My wife runs in those circles so I run into quite a few. Plus I just know people.
As MSP unabashedly grilled one applicant, "How do we know you're a lawyer."
miker/t
Member
ISIS or whoever doesn't even know/care if your cleared, gov't, contractor, janitor or whatever.
They just see you coming and going from one of those buildings and pick you as a target.
Mack C-85
R.I.P.
True, but that's where the OPM leaks come in.......
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dreadpirate
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Hmm - this is an interesting thread because around the May time frame this year, a spokesman from Maryland Shall Issue spoke at out gun club meeting. He was adamant that Maryland would grant a CCW if you have a TS clearance or was part of the OPM data breach. If I have been told wrong - MSI will have no credibility with me or a coworker of mine; both of us spending a lot of time and money recently applying for our CCW under the assumed risk category. MSI will be persona non grata and will get no more support from me.
P.S. Not to mention yet another good reason to move to Northern VA.
P.S. Not to mention yet another good reason to move to Northern VA.
Sounds like you want to grind an axe with MSI before you know the outcome of the permit process.
The bolded portion above does not list two separate G&S reasons, just the OPM data breach alone will not cut it. Generally those with TS clearances, OPM data breach and a security person who will verify the existence of the clearance in writing and verbally will get permits. Those that work at PAX River are having issues with the verify part, YMMV.
Not sure I'd throw MSI under the bus until it's at least pulled up to the stop.
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
Security personnel are not allowed to do that. MSP put that up as an arbitrary way to prevent people that have a clearance and were part of the OPM breach to get a unrestricted permit to carry in MD. If they allowed those two reasons as G&S for an unrestricted permit, there would be thousands of unrestricted permits that were issued and the overlords in Annapolis can't have that.
dreadpirate
Ultimate Member
Ok - MSI is saying CCW is a slam dunk for cleared people. Posters on this thread say "fat chance". Who's right?
Axe to grind my ass; give bad advice and you have no credibility. Simple as that.
dreadpirate
Ultimate Member
Some will and some won't.
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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As of currently , TS plus OPM is still good to go directly w/ MSP . What has been evolving is MSP no longer gives credence to Secret . Secret plus OPM Plus a convincing account of general nature of duties is frequently persuasive to the HPRB .
But in a somewhat fluid situation, the OP reports using year old information. Rechecking with either MSI or regular observers of the process closer to decision time before spending $$ ( presuming the class is required ) , would generally be wise .
But in a somewhat fluid situation, the OP reports using year old information. Rechecking with either MSI or regular observers of the process closer to decision time before spending $$ ( presuming the class is required ) , would generally be wise .
dreadpirate
Ultimate Member
Well some posts in this thread are in effect saying MSI wrong. I'm just the one pointing that out. Ask these guys why they think they are right and MSI is wrong.
Now I will have to say; MSI has done a lot of good work and I agree I need to give them due diligence. Point taken.
dreadpirate
Ultimate Member
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
This ^^^ It is a *very* fluid situation with MSP because it is basically arbitary. Please note that while we can help MSI members with the permitting process, we simply don't have the resources to accord the same service to non-members. We are all volunteers at MSI. (I did get a doubling of my MSI pay this year. Oh, wait 2 x 0 = 0. Nevermind).
Just wanted to add some personal insight, YMMV since this is of course MD.
As of my hearing(last Sept) the MSP officer present indicated that they were directed that TS in addition to OPM leak qualifies for a permit, with the restriction of "valid only while employed with _____". I know 3 people who used that and got the permit without intervention from the HPRB, all have that restriction or some flavor like it. I personally only have a SECRET and it took me testifying to the HPRB, but......in their decision they addressed the MSP stating that TS vs Secret clearance is an arbitrary differentiation for them to make. What I've found is that if you have a clearance, and were part of the OPM leak, its entirely possible.
As of my hearing(last Sept) the MSP officer present indicated that they were directed that TS in addition to OPM leak qualifies for a permit, with the restriction of "valid only while employed with _____". I know 3 people who used that and got the permit without intervention from the HPRB, all have that restriction or some flavor like it. I personally only have a SECRET and it took me testifying to the HPRB, but......in their decision they addressed the MSP stating that TS vs Secret clearance is an arbitrary differentiation for them to make. What I've found is that if you have a clearance, and were part of the OPM leak, its entirely possible.
Our "overlords" in Annapolis are letting this happen? The hell you say....
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So to be clear, it would be an actively used TS along with the OPM breach - correct? My expired TS and being involved in the OPM breach wouldn't help me?
I'll be getting my TS back shortly for a new position I'm taking in DC, so if this is all true then I look forward to getting my permit soon!
I'll be getting my TS back shortly for a new position I'm taking in DC, so if this is all true then I look forward to getting my permit soon!
So of those three I know that used TS and OPM leak, all were active at the time, but one was about to retire and was initially denied. When he had the informal review with Licensing, he explained how retiring doesn't mean he mentally dumps the info that would place him in an assumed risk category. So my guess is you'd have a chance with an expired TS, but that would most likely need to go to the HPRB in my experience.
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
There is no "or" here. A TS *and* OPM data breach may be still working if your employer will jump through the verification hoops and the stars are aligned that day at MSP. It is arbitrary. OPM by itself is not sufficient to MSP, although that plus other G&S stuff seems to help with the Board. YMMV. And please don't blame MSI for the MSP's shenanigans. We are constantly surprised how inconsistent MSP can be on permits.
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