OMP/clearence carry permits

stringer bell · Jan 25, 2017

hey,

I know a while back a there were a couple members that had received permits for being part of the OPM breach, had TS/SCI, and worked in the Intelligence Community, and all of a sudden it appeared that the MSP began rejecting that criteria.

My question is does any body know what is currently going on with getting approval based upon OPM breach, clearance and work for the IC

I have been trying to keep up with the threads on the review board but didn't see anything indicating one way or another.

K31 · Jan 25, 2017

How could you grant it for one party and deny it for another?

If someone denied got killed it sounds like a great lawsuit.

Biggfoot44 · Jan 25, 2017

Data Breaches have a shelf life too. If you've gone this long without meeting an Al Queda hit squad, well you know .....

stringer bell · Jan 25, 2017

I"m sure they don't care. its not like the have a ridged set of criteria that they go by when say yay or nay. it makes sense to me that after they saw a couple get through, somebody figured that these guys are getting over on us and don't "need" a permit. I'm sure they get off on it.

Mack C-85 · Jan 25, 2017

MSP evidently decided that having a TS/SCI clearance does not indicate that you have a greater risk. If course, the Govt. is not going to identify your actual duties to make this determination. So, once again MSP makes thier own rules to deny,deny,deny........

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Glaron · Jan 25, 2017

like a courier with ts/sci info would not benefit from defense power.

Stoveman · Jan 25, 2017

Mack C-85 said:
MSP evidently decided that having a TS/SCI clearance does not indicate that you have a greater risk. If course, the Govt. is not going to identify your actual duties to make this determination. So, once again MSP makes thier own rules to deny,deny,deny........

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The problems that I've encountered with those having TS/SCI clearances is that the agency they work for/with won't verify to the MSP investigator that the applicant works at said agency.

Mack C-85 · Jan 25, 2017

Stoveman said:
The problems that I've encountered with those having TS/SCI clearances is that the agency they work for/with won't verify to the MSP investigator that the applicant works at said agency.

The one I work at will verify you work there. Ask doing what, and you'll be thought of as a terrorist......Snowden still hurts.

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K31 · Jan 25, 2017

Mack C-85 said:
MSP evidently decided that having a TS/SCI clearance does not indicate that you have a greater risk.

Interesting since people working in sensitive areas in other countries are told not to have identifying decals on their vehicles, etc.

K31 · Jan 25, 2017

Biggfoot44 said:
Data Breaches have a shelf life too.

What would that be?

stringer bell · Jan 25, 2017

Stoveman said:
The problems that I've encountered with those having TS/SCI clearances is that the agency they work for/with won't verify to the MSP investigator that the applicant works at said agency.

lol, its really not that hard to look something up in scattered castles or jpas.

I am sure they have a liaison with some federal agency/TF that can do that.

its not hard if they had any desire to do accommodate the DoD/IC

echo6mike · Jan 25, 2017

Biggfoot44 said:
Data Breaches have a shelf life too.

K31 said:
What would that be?

2 weeks.

Mack C-85 · Jan 25, 2017

stringer bell said:
its not hard if they had any desire to do accommodate the DoD/IC

BINGO.......the Agency will provide the info in JPAS.

MSP will not accept that a clearance in itself is G&S. Agency won't provide more info.

Problem is ISIS only cares you're cleared.

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Stoveman · Jan 25, 2017

stringer bell said:
lol, its really not that hard to look something up in scattered castles or jpas.

I am sure they have a liaison with some federal agency/TF that can do that.

its not hard if they had any desire to do accommodate the DoD/IC

It would also take about 5 strokes of a keyboard to figure out if I still owned a business in this state but I still have to provide copies of my Articles of Incorporation, Sales & Use Tax License, etc... with permit renewals.

Got to remember that these investigators are investigating instead of fighting crime for a reason..... :innocent0

swinokur · Jan 25, 2017

The entire permitting process in MD, including HPRB decisions is applied arbitrarily and without any level of uniformity.

It's Maryland

stringer bell · Jan 25, 2017

I would love nothing more than the personnel of the HPRB to be rotated out to the west side or cherry hill.

Stoveman · Jan 25, 2017

stringer bell said:
the agency should not have to provide shit. a 300lb female bridge cop in cecil county. no question asked, spend most of your adult life in the DoD/IC, well sorry.

I agree with you but I'm just telling you how the game is played, it isn't my game. All the agency rep has to do is confirm employment, they don't have to tell the investigator that the applicant is "our man in Moscow" or give other details.

Biggfoot44 · Jan 25, 2017

That was only 10% humor. I don't have any special insight exactly how long, but the LD mindset and culture is that everything has a shelf life, unless fresh recent attacks occur.

stringer bell · Jan 25, 2017

don't disagree at all. with that being said, maybe, things will go well with the nation legislation and one can simply go to York or hand them 30 bucks and be on done with it

BeoBill · Jan 25, 2017

K31 said:
How could you grant it for one party and deny it for another?

If someone denied got killed it sounds like a great lawsuit.

MSP LD logic: "But if you're dead you no longer have a need to carry, so no permit needed."

See how well that works? Sort of a self-licking ice cream cone...

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