StantonCree
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- Jan 23, 2011
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I hear there are millions of those living inside D.C
mAN i NEED TO LEARN TO USE MULTI QUOTE..........or pay attention to when I have caps lock on.........ok time to process criminals
Gray vows to preserve DC gun laws
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I hear there are millions of those living inside D.C
mAN i NEED TO LEARN TO USE MULTI QUOTE..........or pay attention to when I have caps lock on.........ok time to process criminals
Exactly, but they do not have to register their privately owned firearms.
It's not a knock, I wouldn't report anything than what is required either.
The firearm language definitions are new per se, within the last month or so.
It will take time for the news to propagate via the afficiandos and laymen. This time next year, the number of firearms registered might double or triple to say the least.
which has nothing to do with the fact that D.C. gun ownership is still exceptonally low. D.C. even gave him a spot to conduct business........He doesn't pay rent or anything and he is in a SUPER CENTRAL LOCATION.
Making it easier for citizens to meet him, right off the red line
And how many other FFLs has DC been willing to make such an accommodation for?
krucam
Ultimate Member
How many legit gun stores would like to set up shop? Ranges? Training facilities.
Things in DC have got better, but there's obviously a long ways to go.
Being from Chicago, having a lot of family there as well, I fully appreciate and understand mpdc's earlier remarks.
mpdc said:
He's spot on. In an inner city mindset, it doesn't matter which neighborhood you live in either.
When thinking about how to change the mindset of inner city folks, I only have to look at my own family and relatives
As many as the free market is willing to support!
He would not have been able to do what he already did?
My head is going to explode trying to understand that comment.
How many do you think illegally own?
StantonCree
Watch your beer
- Jan 23, 2011
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I'd have no problem estimating that there are over 15-20k unregistered guns in D.C.
I'd easily say that 1 in 5 houses on my side of the river have guns and legs be honest a lot of the people up town have illegal ones as well it's not just in the hood.
You have to think about how many family weapons that were passed down from father to son for hunting purposes. We recover a lot of these that could be registered but just aren't. Lots and Lots of old shotguns are taken in burglaries in my area.
95% of which can be legally registered.
huesmann
n00b
Who cares? DC isn't a state!
Biggfoot44
Ultimate Member
- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,252
While 99% of people couldn't agree on free $20 bills being the right shade of green , 4511 is basically right.
DC is strtified to either extreme , with vitrully no middle ground economically or socially.
The thugs prefer unarmed victims. The good people in the 'hood have been brainwashed that guns = evil for generations , and can't even concieve of guns being used for positive purposes , either SD or recreationally.
The upscale residents already largely self selected themselves. If they had any inclination for gun ownership , they would have moved into Potomac , Bethesda , McLean , or Old Town Alex in the first place instead of Upper NW or Cap Hill .
DC is strtified to either extreme , with vitrully no middle ground economically or socially.
The thugs prefer unarmed victims. The good people in the 'hood have been brainwashed that guns = evil for generations , and can't even concieve of guns being used for positive purposes , either SD or recreationally.
The upscale residents already largely self selected themselves. If they had any inclination for gun ownership , they would have moved into Potomac , Bethesda , McLean , or Old Town Alex in the first place instead of Upper NW or Cap Hill .
BlueHeeler
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How did I miss this fun thread? This is right up my alley.
I own a couple registered firearms in DC. It is not being a 1%er, it is more like being a 0.001%er.
As much as it pains me to say, Gray is doing the right thing by representing the want of the people. He is wrong Constitutionally speaking, but as a representative he is right.
Biggfoot44 is absolutely correct. DC is very different than 'real America'. There is very little middle class in DC, for reasons I will not go into. The poor people do not like guns because they have had zero exposure to legal gun ownership and shooting sports. In their life, they have never seen anything good about guns. They have lost a friend or family member to a gun. Honestly I cannot blame them for being anti-gun. They just do not know any better.
The DC wealthy are largely anti gun Democrats. Upstanding Republican live in VA to get out of the mess. I do not blame them either.
There is a sub populous that work hard and live in the hood, like me. Real estate prices are sky high no matter where you live in DC. Mostly there is an understanding firearms are verboten in DC, do not bother. Then to another level of stratification, a few people (idiots like me) do want to fight city hall if they see something unfair.
I am somewhat active in local politics. Anything firearms related is a complete nonstarter on the local level. I could chime in during meetings and make a solid fact based argument, but there would be an immediate 500 people against. It is difficult to describe how unpopular it would be to relax firearms regulations. In comparison, it is about as popular as reintroducing segregation. I cannot express how happy the law changes are from a Federal level because it would never happen internally.
I own a couple registered firearms in DC.
It is not being a 1%er, it is more like being a 0.001%er.As much as it pains me to say, Gray is doing the right thing by representing the want of the people. He is wrong Constitutionally speaking, but as a representative he is right.
Biggfoot44 is absolutely correct. DC is very different than 'real America'. There is very little middle class in DC, for reasons I will not go into. The poor people do not like guns because they have had zero exposure to legal gun ownership and shooting sports. In their life, they have never seen anything good about guns. They have lost a friend or family member to a gun. Honestly I cannot blame them for being anti-gun. They just do not know any better.
The DC wealthy are largely anti gun Democrats. Upstanding Republican live in VA to get out of the mess. I do not blame them either.
There is a sub populous that work hard and live in the hood, like me. Real estate prices are sky high no matter where you live in DC. Mostly there is an understanding firearms are verboten in DC, do not bother. Then to another level of stratification, a few people (idiots like me) do want to fight city hall if they see something unfair.
I am somewhat active in local politics. Anything firearms related is a complete nonstarter on the local level. I could chime in during meetings and make a solid fact based argument, but there would be an immediate 500 people against. It is difficult to describe how unpopular it would be to relax firearms regulations. In comparison, it is about as popular as reintroducing segregation. I cannot express how happy the law changes are from a Federal level because it would never happen internally.
Biggfoot44
Ultimate Member
- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,252
Back about 30 yrs ago , of the DC residents that I * came into ofical contact * with half or a bit more were not born in DC. The single largest jurisdiction was South Carolina , but that could have been neighborhood specific. Some of them must have had childhood memories of family members rabbit hunting back on the farm down South. But its been lots of decades and/ or generations since of being pervaded with the DC Ethos .
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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It just hit me of the Historical Parallel.
Mayor Grey now is channeling the Spirit of Gov George Wallace standing on the steps of the Univ of Alabama in 1963.
Following the overwhelming sentaments of his constituants, while flying in the face of Constitutional issues. Later Generations will scorn , and wonder how they could have been so foolish and futile.
Mayor Grey now is channeling the Spirit of Gov George Wallace standing on the steps of the Univ of Alabama in 1963.
Following the overwhelming sentaments of his constituants, while flying in the face of Constitutional issues. Later Generations will scorn , and wonder how they could have been so foolish and futile.
esqappellate
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- Feb 12, 2012
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I am sure that's right. So, what do you think 4511, does the fact that they are not registered have anything to do with the rather high cost and inconvenience of registration under DC law (not to mention the official hostility to guns in DC). Registration in DC is still a major PITA, even as the law was amended most recently in response to Heller and the Heller II litigation. And you perhaps help us as to whether registration has ever helped solve or prevent a crime? The failure to register these firearms thus renders all of these otherwise law-abiding people criminals. And why is that a *good* thing? And maybe you could please explain to me why DC doesn't actively reach out to ensure that these guns can be kept legally?
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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4511 was Observing nd Reporting , not nesecarilly opining that it was a *good* state of affairs.
Wish I saw this thread earlier...
I think you are wrong. His job is not "to uphold the values and wants of the people that elected him" (though that theory would certainly explain why Marrion Barry was smoking crack). The DC mayoral oath of office is clear about what he is sworn to do:
Though it may be that a politician should perform the duties of his office in a manner consistent with the beliefs of his constituency, the politician's sworn duties do not take a back seat to those beliefs.
Perfect analogy.
I think you are wrong. His job is not "to uphold the values and wants of the people that elected him" (though that theory would certainly explain why Marrion Barry was smoking crack). The DC mayoral oath of office is clear about what he is sworn to do:
Though it may be that a politician should perform the duties of his office in a manner consistent with the beliefs of his constituency, the politician's sworn duties do not take a back seat to those beliefs.
Perfect analogy.
cjnolen
Registered Coonass
I swap my gun for Ruger pepperspray every time I'm in DC. Boy, do I feel safer knowing that guns are illegal there!
BlueHeeler
Ultimate Member
FWIW pepper spray must be registered at a police station before you can legally carry it.
I am not kidding.
gmhowell
Not Banned Yet
I'm interested in mpdc's answers, but I couldn't resist this. The obvious reason is the the DC government doesn't want people to keep guns legally. They want them gone. If a little ignorance removes a few guns, so be it. I'm guessing any changes due to Emily Miller, Heller, etc. are just to avoid lawsuits. Not some newfound sense of civic duty.
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