Fire Call!!!! Dems attempting to ram SB741/HB888...

danb · Mar 15, 2018

East2West said:
And it sure seems like we've been paying for nothing since 2012. How on earth have any of the gun rights advocacy groups made being a gun owner easier in Maryland? Sorry if the old "Well think about how bad it could be here" line isn't good enough for me.

MSI and other groups beat back a very poorly considered ban on possession of 11+ round clipazines in 2013 and again this year. Sticking your finger in a dam to hold back the water is not sexy but they do it well. This state is supermajority Dems, most of which are loony progressive zealots. We could easily be Illinois or New Jersey.

BradMacc82 · Mar 15, 2018

We could be worse than Illinois or Jersey.

Hell, given free reign, our legiscritters would have us in a neck and neck race with California to see who is just more batshit crazy.

Adolph Oliver Bush · Mar 15, 2018

East2West said:
And it sure seems like we've been paying for nothing since 2012. How on earth have any of the gun rights advocacy groups made being a gun owner easier in Maryland? Sorry if the old "Well think about how bad it could be here" line isn't good enough for me.

The other choice is to do nothing. I will not do nothing.

Rack&Roll · Mar 15, 2018

East2West said:
And it sure seems like we've been paying for nothing since 2012. How on earth have any of the gun rights advocacy groups made being a gun owner easier in Maryland? Sorry if the old "Well think about how bad it could be here" line isn't good enough for me.

There is a difference between advocacy and votes. One is all talk, and the other is tallied up and is the basis of law.

If you are not actively campaigning for candidates with yard signs, donating to campaigns, or sign waving at intersections in your district, then you get what you get, with advocacy groups on defense for the whole game.

Abacab · Mar 16, 2018

My two Republican delegates have been informed I will not vote for them in 2018.

Cutting off my nose to spite my face blah blah blah.

I'm not voting for someone that promises me one thing and delivers another. I'd rather just get as expected so I don't get disappointed. The Maryland Republican delegation is a joke. Sorry.

Boondock Saint · Mar 16, 2018

Abacab said:
My two Republican delegates have been informed I will not vote for them in 2018.

Cutting off my nose to spite my face blah blah blah.

I'm not voting for someone that promises me one thing and delivers another. I'd rather just get as expected so I don't get disappointed. The Maryland Republican delegation is a joke. Sorry.

Mine as well. I'm waiting until it's posted on the MGA site before I nuke them. Cluster outright lied to me. Fuuuuuck him.

Rack&Roll · Mar 16, 2018

Abacab said:
My two Republican delegates have been informed I will not vote for them in 2018.

Cutting off my nose to spite my face blah blah blah.

I'm not voting for someone that promises me one thing and delivers another. I'd rather just get as expected so I don't get disappointed. The Maryland Republican delegation is a joke. Sorry.

It's not as easy as that. Do you want Republican representation with seniority or not?

Of course, then there's the Doomsday Scenario: we refuse to vote for Republicans...and Democrats gain every seat....then start the confiscation of all guns except revolvers and kick off Red Dawn.

Abacab · Mar 16, 2018

Boondock Saint said:
Mine as well. I'm waiting until it's posted on the MGA site before I nuke them. Cluster outright lied to me. Fuuuuuck him.

There's a picture of the vote on David Moon's Twitter account. It's how I found mine.

Boondock Saint · Mar 16, 2018

Rack&Roll said:
It's not as easy as that. Do you want Republican representation with seniority or not?

Of course, then there's the Doomsday Scenario: we refuse to vote for Republicans...and Democrats gain every seat....then start the confiscation of all guns except revolvers and kick off Red Dawn.

I cannot, and I will not, vote for representatives who support "gun control." Full stop. The letter after the name on the ballot means absolutely nothing if they are willing to sell our birthright for 30 pieces of silver.

No.

I don't own a bump stock. I don't want a bump stock. This is ********. **** every last one of them that voted for this heap of shit. They're dead to me.

Abacab · Mar 16, 2018

Rack&Roll said:
It's not as easy as that. Do you want Republican representation with seniority or not?

Of course, then there's the Doomsday Scenario: we refuse to vote for Republicans...and Democrats gain every seat....then start the confiscation of all guns except revolvers and kick off Red Dawn.

Republicans with seniority that vote for gun control? No, I don't. Granted there's little they can do in the House which is run by a tyrant and governed by rules that make the minority irrelevant. Doesn't excuse people - especially in safe districts like mine.

Just bring on the doomsday scenario - the slow bleed with Quislings in the party I vote for to ostensibly lodge protest votes who can't even do that isn't worth it.

Abacab · Mar 16, 2018

Boondock Saint said:
I cannot, and I will not, vote for representatives who support "gun control." Full stop. The letter after the name on the ballot means absolutely nothing if they are willing to sell our birthright for 30 pieces of silver.

No.

I don't own a bump stock. I don't want a bump stock. This is ********. **** every last one of them that voted for this heap of shit. They're dead to me.

Yep. I don't own a bumpstock either and never had any interest one. I do own MGs and I worked in the business that derived serious income from the sale and transfer of MGs. This bill severely curtails that business and my hobby.

Dead to me is accurate. They can go **** themselves.

Rack&Roll · Mar 16, 2018

Boondock Saint said:
I cannot, and I will not, vote for representatives who support "gun control." Full stop. The letter after the name on the ballot means absolutely nothing if they are willing to sell our birthright for 30 pieces of silver

No.

I don't own a bump stock. I don't want a bump stock. This is ********. **** every last one of them that voted for this heap of shit. They're dead to me.

I think you know I am a charter member of the "Not One Inch" faction. I've almost been banned twice for flying this flag against the crowd that says we've got to sacrifice bumps stocks for the greater good.

The politicians have their realities, and we have ours.

If we organized a Washington State style rally with several thousand Patriots converging on Lawyer's Mall to hold bump stocks in the air, chanting "Come & Take it!....are you IN?

Between 1,000 and 3,000 showed up at Seim’s rally at the [Washington] state capitol to protest passage of Initiative 594 which, among other restrictions, now requires gun owners to obtain a background check before transferring a handgun to another party. At the moment the law became effective at midnight, December 4, a You-Tube aggregator called “LaughingAtLiberals” (LAL) posted a video showing just such a transfer taking place — a Glock 22 for a fistful of dollars — without the now-requisite background check.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...ashington-state-pro-gun-rally-draws-thousands

Biggfoot44 · Mar 16, 2018

If they backstab , then no , not really . Their Votes matter .

*********

I don't think there ARE several thousand Bump Stocks in the state . ( Yes , everyone should be able to buy , own, and use one should they wish , just observing current numbers .)

Not_an_outlaw · Mar 16, 2018

Rack&Roll said:
I think you know I am a charter member of the "Not One Inch" faction. I've almost been banned twice for flying this flag against the crowd that says we've got to sacrifice bumps stocks for the greater good.

The politicians have their realities, and we have ours.

If we organized a Washington State style rally with several thousand Patriots converging on Lawyer's Mall to hold bump stocks in the air, chanting "Come & Take it!....are you IN?

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...ashington-state-pro-gun-rally-draws-thousands

I guess the problem would be, if found guilty of possession of a bumpstock, that would be a lifetime prohibition. That seriously stifles the resistance. If it was not a lifetime ban, you'd get more people.

dblas · Mar 16, 2018

Not_an_outlaw said:
I guess the problem would be, if found guilty of possession of a bumpstock, that would be a lifetime prohibition. That seriously stifles the resistance. If it was not a lifetime ban, you'd get more people.

That, apparently, was not an issue for those firearms owners in Washington State, so why is it one here?

And before you ask, yes, I would show up, even though I don't own a bumpstock, but I do own several different replacement triggers, which would be affected by this bill.

Schipperke · Mar 16, 2018

Demographics of birth rate and immigration difficult to be defeated. Maryland is is ~25% white non-Hispanic men. Gun rights are a white male issue (older guys at that) and probably not a significant amount of white males in Maryland do care. The math is not there in a legislative nature for Maryland.

44man · Mar 16, 2018

Abacab said:
There's a picture of the vote on David Moon's Twitter account. It's how I found mine.

Can you post a screen shot since it’s not published anywhere else yet

Hawkeye · Mar 16, 2018

It is here:

I am disappointed to see that my delegate, Christian Miele, who has promised me over email that he's pro gun and will support us, voted for this.

He's got a senate campaign running now, and he just lost my vote.

Fredneck · Mar 16, 2018

Would this bill prohibit a Maryland resident from being able to legally obtain a MG (ATF approved) or lightning link after OCT 2018? Will we still be able to get replacement triggers NOT including "binary" and stay within the law? It is "logical" relatively newly developed, purpose-built devices like bump stocks and binary triggers would come under attack-but to open the definition up to include (future block) highly-regulated NFA items is a true gun-grab.

SCV/SAR Patriot · Mar 16, 2018

And all these people like Szeliga who pretend to be pro second amendment. LOL. We need more representatives like Robin Grammer, wish he was my rep in Carroll County but glad he's there nonetheless.

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