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rbird7282 · Jun 20, 2016

Just got disapproved for my first Form 1 SBR on an Engage lower. Reason was incorrect model. The lower is an Engage E4 model, I'm assuming that's what I should have put down? Anyone else who's done an SBR on that same lower? Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
Also, do you think there's any chance I can contact Ted Clutter at ATF and not get sent to the back of the line?

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unclebuck · Jun 20, 2016

Similar to another situation mentioned recently in the ATF wait time thread:

https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=4381944&postcount=4170

Seems like you can't win with the model number.

MacGuns · Jun 20, 2016

I submitted 2 Engage lowers without any issues using E4 as the model number. Make sure you include all leading zeros in the serial number on the receiver.

rbird7282 · Jun 20, 2016

MacMoov said:
I submitted 2 Engage lowers without any issues using E4 as the model number. Make sure you include all leading zeros in the serial number on the receiver.

I did include the leading zeros but put AR15 instead of E4 as the model number

Going to email my examiner and see if I can get it taken care of.

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fred333 · Jun 20, 2016

rbird7282 said:
Just got disapproved for my first Form 1 SBR on an Engage lower. Reason was incorrect model. The lower is an Engage E4 model, I'm assuming that's what I should have put down? Anyone else who's done an SBR on that same lower? Your advice would be greatly appreciated.

I was disapproved recently for the same thing. I've asked Andy to pass the word along to staff to make it clear to customers that his AR15 lowers are "E4" models and not "AR15".
On a more positive note, the disapproval came ~three months after E-file submission.

fred333 · Jun 20, 2016

rbird7282 said:
I did include the leading zeros but put AR15 instead of E4 as the model number
Going to email my examiner and see if I can get it taken care of.

Let us know if you get anywhere with the examiner. In my case, I was unable to even get the examiner, Jessie Huff, to return my repeated calls or emails. Unfortunately, the other people I spoke with at ATF were consistent in saying that, due to the deluge of applications trying to get into the queue before the trust changes take effect next month, all re-submissions automatically go to the end of the queue and processed as new submissions and they're no longer able to give them priority. But it is the federal government, so let us know if you hear otherwise and the name of that person.

AssMan · Jun 20, 2016

fred333 said:
Let us know if you get anywhere with the examiner. In my case, I was unable to even get the examiner, Jessie Huff, to return my repeated calls or emails. Unfortunately, the other people I spoke with at ATF were consistent in saying that, due to the deluge of applications trying to get into the queue before the trust changes take effect next month, all re-submissions automatically go to the end of the queue and processed as new submissions and they're no longer able to give them priority. But it is the federal government, so let us know if you hear otherwise and the name of that person.

Just an FYI, mine came back in under 2 hrs, so it's worth a try. YMMV.

To the OP, if it's an eForm, you need to resubmit and then email your examiner both the new and old control numbers. That's what I did anyway.

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rbird7282 · Jun 20, 2016

snallygaster said:
Just an FYI, mine came back in under 2 hrs, so it's worth a try. YMMV.

To the OP, if it's an eForm, you need to resubmit and then email your examiner both the new and old control numbers. That's what I did anyway.

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Will do it tonight, thank you!

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Pmbspyder · Jun 20, 2016

Ive heard the same thing about going to the back of the line with a resubmission. Just started in the last two weeks.

Worst part is, if your form comes back with an error after July 14, not only do you go to the back of the line, but you now must follow all rules of 41f including fingerprints for everyone on your trust etc. Who knows how efile will even work then.

rbird7282 · Jun 20, 2016

fred333 said:
Let us know if you get anywhere with the examiner. In my case, I was unable to even get the examiner, Jessie Huff, to return my repeated calls or emails. Unfortunately, the other people I spoke with at ATF were consistent in saying that, due to the deluge of applications trying to get into the queue before the trust changes take effect next month, all re-submissions automatically go to the end of the queue and processed as new submissions and they're no longer able to give them priority. But it is the federal government, so let us know if you hear otherwise and the name of that person.

Just resubmitted my Form 1. Couldn't read the examiners name until i reread your post and I've got Jessie Huff as well. Do you have an email for her/him?

fred333 · Jun 20, 2016

Pmbspyder said:
Worst part is, if your form comes back with an error after July 14, not only do you go to the back of the line, but you now must follow all rules of 41f including fingerprints for everyone on your trust etc. Who knows how efile will even work then.

Because the 14 July change requires physical finger print submission, I don't think E-file will be available anymore, which is likely why ATF's trying to clear the backlog prior to the expected post-14 July avalanche.

rbird7282 · Jun 21, 2016

Resubmitted yesterday and emailed Ted Clutter with the old and new permit numbers this morning. Haven't heard anything.
Really sucks considering it was barely over a month from submittal to disapproval.

Pmbspyder · Jun 22, 2016

rbird7282 said:
Resubmitted yesterday and emailed Ted Clutter with the old and new permit numbers this morning. Haven't heard anything.
Really sucks considering it was barely over a month from submittal to disapproval.

I would actually say you made out well. Seeing as they're probably going to make you start the wait over, imagine how much it would suck if you waited 5 months, then were disapproved and had to abide by the new trust rules. As much as it blows, you actually came out ahead here (relatively speaking)

outrider58 · Jun 22, 2016

rbird7282 said:
Resubmitted yesterday and emailed Ted Clutter with the old and new permit numbers this morning. Haven't heard anything.
Really sucks considering it was barely over a month from submittal to disapproval.

I'd give it til Thursday before I'd start worrying.

rbird7282 · Jun 28, 2016

Well I never heard back from Mr. Clutter so instead of one month it looks like I'm going to the back of the line. Happy Thanksgiving to me. Crap

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fred333 · Jun 29, 2016

rbird7282 said:
Well I never heard back from Mr. Clutter so instead of one month it looks like I'm going to the back of the line. Happy Thanksgiving to me. Crap

I never received a response either. Welcome to the federal government.....your taxes at work. Gobble, gobble.

Wayne1one · Jun 29, 2016

fred333 said:
Because the 14 July change requires physical finger print submission, I don't think E-file will be available anymore, which is likely why ATF's trying to clear the backlog prior to the expected post-14 July avalanche.

surprisingly I think e-file might still be around, one of the benefits (if that's what you wanna call it) is they accept digital fingerprints. So in theory you can upload your prints, and photos along with your other docs. Just gotta wait and see how they decide to play the e-file game. Truth be told it really helps them streamline the process, I think paper file really burdens the examiners.

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