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Old March 28th, 2020, 09:55 PM #101
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A good discussion for the most part.

Here's an alternative view from a home defense instructor who makes a case against shotguns for home defense altogether. His view of wall penetration is sh*t happens.

I think he is one of the reasons why Clint said the biggest problem with the shotgun is that most people don't understand it.

While the instructor correctly points out that bird shot, like other rounds, will penetrate a wall, he does not make any distinction of the lethality after it penetrates the wall. Other rounds are capable of penetrating additional wall, while bird shot is not. This suggest bird shot is not likely to be lethal once it penetrates a wall, while other rounds are still likely to be lethal.

Shot (buck or bird) is not a precision round. If you want precision with a shotgun use a slug.

60 ft is farther than any house I have lived in. It is too far to reliably use bird shot, but it is also unclear if the results are valid. It looked like he may have shot the bird shot low and fired two shots to knock over the target.
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I think it's important to remember what Paul actually said @11:54 (emphasis mine): "So, the bottom-line question - is bird shot a viable option in your home defense shotgun? And I would say again: If you use a fairly powerful bird shot load, absolutely yes it is".

He's not advocating that folks use bird shot over better options. He's simply saying that he believes a "fairly powerful bird shot load" is an option. I've got 00 Buck in mine. I don't think he would argue that AT ALL. I'm not an expert.
I never he said he was advocating birds shot, but testing against tissue simulations, and showing the bird shot appearing to cause substantial damage, can lead bird shot defenders to say, "See, it can be an effective defensive round at close ranges."

I just said there were only 2 situation where I might possibly use it.
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