HPRB June 17, 2019 Meeting Thread

Blacksmith101 · Jun 17, 2019

So the people testifying must swear to it under oath. Will that cause the MSP to stop quoting case law that has been superseded?

What exactly must an applicant show to reach the 51% goal to be granted a permit? The 2nd Amendment guarantees my God given right to bear arms for protection and that applies to persons in all states as affirmed by Heller and McDonald.

LCPIWB · Jun 17, 2019

Stoveman said:
The White Paper on burden of proof.
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Bob A · Jun 18, 2019

Blacksmith101 said:
So the people testifying must swear to it under oath. Will that cause the MSP to stop quoting case law that has been superseded?

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They've always testified under oath.

The MSP guys would swear the oath with each case. Seemed odd to me, unless it was to free them to tell lies between cases. Or maybe their short-term memories are not all that functional.

welder516 · Jun 18, 2019

They are never held to account when telling lies , they told them on my case about second business said i never gave them information . But they had information about my second business , maybe not enough for them but they never asked for more so i thought i was okay .

Finally got my updated permit with second business and they got the business wrong (wording) talked to Sgt. Picklelicker and he said he would get another to me at no charge (he never did yet) liars !!!

motorcoachdoug · Jun 18, 2019

but if MSP appeals before the OAH Judge its a do over anyway and the board hearing can not be introduced to use against the MSP so why the white paper and burden placed upon the person wanting the restrictions removed?

Occam · Jun 18, 2019

I can't be reading that correctly. It sounds like they (the board) are saying that the BOARD would have to defend its own rulings before the OAH.

Racer Doug14 · Jun 18, 2019

I dont see "citizens oversight ", I see a bunch of retired .Gov pensioners. This will go badly for those appealing MSP.

BeoBill · Jun 18, 2019

Not_an_outlaw said:
Retired MSP said something like I don't believe you should have a permit just because you want one, you need a reason.

Baltimore city meetings should be reason enough. They all get to arrive armed.

I did a search for the geographic center of Maryland. Said 4.5 miles north of Davidsonville. Which is just about Crownsville.

You missed the new and improved MGA point:

Harm City is the IDEOLOGICAL center of Maryland.

So apparently now a stacked deck board, change of night and return to the War Zone. I guess Lex Market was closed.

Maybe our overlords will be pleased to keep the board running and not vote on the proposed bill to kill it. And maybe this will also serve to highlight the obstructions placed on the exercise of our civil rights in this colony. :mad54:

Stoveman · Jun 18, 2019

On a side note, what's with the freakin' gavel? I know the guy's a retired judge but did he get to keep his gavel like retiring cops get to keep their guns? Or did he have to order one from gavelsRus.com?

Not_an_outlaw · Jun 18, 2019

Racer Doug14 said:
I dont see "citizens oversight ", I see a bunch of retired .Gov pensioners. This will go badly for those appealing MSP.

That is my exact observation. It's really bureaucratic oversite.

BeoBill · Jun 18, 2019

Not_an_outlaw said:
That is my exact observation. It's really bureaucratic oversite.

It's a perfect example of "Form" vs. "Function." I think we'll see a lot of "going through the motions" this year. I just hope I'm wrong. :mad54:

Stoveman · Jun 18, 2019

Gavel to gavel coverage of the meeting last night. Do you gavel in a meeting and not a hearing? :shrug:

Stoveman · Jun 18, 2019

I wonder if when Judge Smails meets with his wife to do their family budget meeting for the month he uses a gavel to let her know when it's officially started and stopped?

Stoveman · Jun 18, 2019

If the mods get short staffed around here this guy seems like he has a lot of experience swinging the hammer.

welder516 · Jun 18, 2019

With this crew they will start taking permits away ...SMH

I am not impressed , sorry guys .

welder516 · Jun 18, 2019

Stoveman said:
I wonder if when Judge Smails meets with his wife to do their family budget meeting for the month he uses a gavel to let her know when it's officially started and stopped?

He looks and acts like a straight up D-Bag IMHO

As well as the Retired MSP guy , and the clone on the end .

Not_an_outlaw · Jun 18, 2019

I bet he has his schedule down to the minute every day.

Has any attorney on this board been in front of Smaklin or know someone who has? Or had him as a professor?

JPG · Jun 18, 2019

looks like you will need an attorney with the Board and one with your appeal.

#GavelLife

daggo66 · Jun 18, 2019

These changes, especially the burden of proof, all seem indicative of the overall misunderstanding held by the MGA that denial of permits are overwhelmingly being overturned. Aside from the current practice used to get restrictions removed, as is mainly what has been happening, I wonder if attacking the practice of automatic restrictions is the way to go. Would this not shift the burden back to MSP?

welder516 · Jun 18, 2019

The three new guys will run rough shot over JC IMHO , and the gavel guy will be pushing everyone around and forcing his will on others .

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