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  • Aventus

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    So why is the left and Democrats pushing gun control? What’s their end game and why? 20 years from now, do they really want a disarmed America where only criminals and the elites have guns? Is this just a slow bleed to a globalist, totalitarian state or are they just blindly naive? Would every past president have gracefully stepped down and allowed a peaceful transition of power if Americans were not so well armed? Why aren’t more Republicans and Americans pushing back? So many questions.

    Clearly, gun control isn’t being driven by the voters!

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/31/getting-priorities-straight-house-democrats-and-the-public/

    According to a Gallup poll conducted earlier this month, gun control and guns rank at the very bottom of the list of what adults say is the country’s top problem – coming in at three percent.

    That’s tied with the economy in general, unemployment, and ethical/moral/religious decline. Only slightly behind crime and violence (4%), and about half as highly ranked as several categories of social issues including race relations, poverty and homelessness, and healthcare.

    The top two problems facing the country, according to adults nationwide, are government (19%) and immigration (16%). Both issues fall under the purview of Congress and yet the next Speaker of the House couldn’t announce the new majority’s intentions quickly enough despite a complete lack of evidence that so-called “universal” background checks will have an effect on crime. In fact, readers may recall one study, lauded by anti-gun organizations and talking heads, actually found that background checks are associated with an increase in homicides.

    Of course, the model in that study was misspecified but that hasn’t stopped anti-gunners from using it to push their agenda.

    In looking at Gallup data for this year, guns and gun control was cited by only 1% of adults as the most important problem facing the country in October of this year. That number doubled all the way to 2% in November, and the midterm election was right in the middle of the November survey period. Gallup has asked the most important problem question monthly and shared the results from June 2018 onward, and gun control has never been higher than 4% (June 2018).

    The top two specific problems every month since early summer have been the government and immigration. Lest you believe that this is somehow unique to Gallup, let’s take a look at some other polling data.

    A Marist Poll conducted from November 28th through December 4th of this year found that 8% of registered voters said guns should be the top priority for the next Congress. Immigration was the top issue (18%), followed by the economy and jobs (17%) and health care (17%). Guns weren’t even the top issue for Democrats, coming in tied for third with climate change. Health care (24%) and the economy and jobs (16%) were ahead. Six percent of Independents think guns should be the top priority, well behind the economy and jobs (18%), health care (17%), immigration (15%), federal taxes and spending (14%), opioid addiction (12%), and climate change (9%).

    Suburban adults put four issues before guns. This is getting repetitive, but maybe eventually Representative Pelosi will align her priorities with the American people.
     

    44man

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    They have to disarm us to install their socialist and communist ideas.

    What middle class gun owning Americans are going to work for the same wages as leftists who sit on their asses all day doing nothing??

    A living wage my ass
     

    TheOriginalMexicanBob

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    There are several reasons...you cannot subjugate and armed populace and they know it. It's also part of their ideological makeup...to rule you must have a compliant proletariat class. Those two are essentially the same and those who wish to subjugate cannot do so unless the working class is compared of "useful idiots".

    Why more don't push back is an open question. Maybe too much of the populace is too accustomed too comfortable and to knuckling under and maybe the phrase "better the devil I know" has something to do with it.
     

    Engine4

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    One reason (as the rats in Md do), is that's it's an easy issue to get behind & appear as though you're doing something. They have no idea how to help America, so they grab the low hanging fruit, gun control & open borders.
     
    because they cannot control us if we have the ability to fight back..it's as simple as that. They ignore the volumes of empirical evidence that guns save far more lives than they take, they ignore the fact that criminals do not obey gun control laws, and they ignore the fact that out of nearly half a billion guns in the hands of law abiding citizen less than .00075% are used to kill someone..

    knowing all of that (and don't be fooled, they know all of this) and still forcing gun control can only lead to 2 possible reasons...either they are too stupid to comprehend the facts, or there is a more nefarious reason..It's clear that they want to disarm us completely so they can take power and turn our "dangerous" freedom into "peaceful" slavery. Anyone who cannot see that has their head buried in the dirt..
     

    East2West

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    They don't care what the voters want, they care what their financier's want.
    Some people feel that the folks who fund politicians have a vested interest in disarming and neutering the citizens of this country. We are an independent people and that makes forced compliance hard.
     

    Occam

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    First, try living in (especially lower) Montgomery County for a while. If you can make yourself do it, talk to some people. You'll be shocked at the level of both ignorance-driven and rabidly ideological opposition to gun ownership of any kind. In no particular order, I've seen:

    1) People who have never personally seen or touched let alone used a firearm, and know of nobody in their family that ever has ... but who are convinced that they are so dangerous that anyone who would even consider owning one is frighteningly reckless and should be genuinely feared. As in, fear for your life feared. This sounds hyperbolic, but it's not. This is baseline for many voting, campaign-contributing households around here.

    2) The level of hatred for people who don't adhere to the progressive/lefty worldview is off the charts. These are folks who actually mean it when they say that if you didn't vote for Hillary then you are literally a Nazi. Anyone who doesn't see that Kavanaugh is obviously a serial rapist is a blind fool who wants to return to slave owning and beating wives into submission after we have a war against all the rest of the world. Sounds comic-book-villain-crazy, right? These people earnestly say things like that to each other. We're talking about well-off professionals, here, and this is how they see YOU. And because they know that organizations like the NRA lean towards politics that go against their grain, then the NRA is obviously evil incarnate, and anyone who might be even loosely "that type" is actively, deliberately trying to ruin the world and kill their daughters and whatnot. Yes, it's foaming-at-the-mouth crazy crap, but they've mentally assigned gun owners (and thus, gun ownership) into (wait for it!) a Basket Of Irredeemable Deplorables with whom there can be no conversation, no compromise, no understanding - and so ANYTHING that the Deplorables want to defend or think is good must be crushed. For a lot of these people, it's that simple. "I hate you, and you like guns, so I automatically, passionately hate guns, too."

    3) No, it's not about wanting to make sure that when they finally get total government control that you're disarmed so you can't resist the government. They think it's utterly delusional to even consider some rabble-populated band of militia crazies being a threat to the full power of a government military and law enforcement operating under the control of the politicians they think should run the country. They really do think that gun owners who consider the 2A to be in any way about resisting the government are naive fools. REPEAT: They think you're not just dumb and unsophisticated, but actually living in a childish fantasy world where you like to play with guns. That's the level of patronizing, condescending derision and contempt we're talking about, and it's not just a few of them, it's MOST of them.

    4) Some of them really do think that if only YOU weren't allowed to have a gun, ever, that eventually the criminals would run out of guns to have and we'd finally see peace in our time. They don't consider the routine murders by stabbing or beating to be meaningful because ALL they can think about is the murder that the NRA commits using guns. If you ask them to talk about, say, the "knife crime" in London, they'll deflect and say that's a local problem and at least they don't have thousands of children being murdered every hour by NRA lobbyists using bump stocks.

    Basically: the tribal political hatred has grown to inconceivably toxic heights, and the gun issue is just a super-convenient thing to latch on to. It's an easy lever for emotional appeals to get their people elected, and many of the more visible people they see on the news carrying in public or other horrific things come across to them like Old White Male Rednecks, and can be safely loathed like NO other group can. One simply cannot over-estimate the level of deeply-baked-in intellectual dishonesty and ignorance on this front. Mostly, guns are a proxy for their overall hatred of anyone who opposes their wider agenda.
     

    pcfixer

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    There are several reasons...you cannot subjugate and armed populace and they know it. It's also part of their ideological makeup...to rule you must have a compliant proletariat class. Those two are essentially the same and those who wish to subjugate cannot do so unless the working class is compared of "useful idiots".

    Why more don't push back is an open question. Maybe too much of the populace is too accustomed too comfortable and to knuckling under and maybe the phrase "better the devil I know" has something to do with it.

    "To what extent has a well armed populace prevented government repression"


    Solzhenitsyn has an argument, not about when the people has the resist a government in war or as a guerrilla, and not about winning. It is about not allowing the meat grinding machine to work as easy as it could.

    It is about making any general persecution, massive arbitrary prisons or oppression, costly and dangerous for the government minions, and more difficult to hide from public opinion.
    It is about not being just a flock of sheep in deep sleep, waiting for the wolves to strike at their leisure, with no worry at all, not even for the smallest wolf.
     

    Allen65

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    Basically: the tribal political hatred has grown to inconceivably toxic heights, and the gun issue is just a super-convenient thing to latch on to. It's an easy lever for emotional appeals to get their people elected, and many of the more visible people they see on the news carrying in public or other horrific things come across to them like Old White Male Rednecks, and can be safely loathed like NO other group can. One simply cannot over-estimate the level of deeply-baked-in intellectual dishonesty and ignorance on this front. Mostly, guns are a proxy for their overall hatred of anyone who opposes their wider agenda.

    Good summary except I'll disagree on one part: It's not about winning elections, at least not directly. Demonizing lawful firearms owners is primarily an appeal to their party's donor base. That's why they keep doing it even when polls say guns aren't a deciding issue to most voters. It's not about the voters, it's about the big dollar donors and getting them to open up their wallets to give to the Party.

    If Bloomberg decided today that guns were no longer a problem but dogs pooping on others' lawns were the greatest threat to society, the D Party would have 10 national-level mandatory pooper-scooper bills drafted by tomorrow morning.
     

    Glaron

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    They dont care.

    Rich Venezuelans are still rich.

    They need to stop you from being angry.
     

    davsco

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    1) People who have never personally seen or touched let alone used a firearm, and know of nobody in their family that ever has ... but who are convinced that they are so dangerous that anyone who would even consider owning one is frighteningly reckless and should be genuinely feared. As in, fear for your life feared.

    4) Some of them really do think that if only YOU weren't allowed to have a gun, ever, that eventually the criminals would run out of guns to have and we'd finally see peace in our time.

    yeah, hard for me to really think folks want us unarmed so the govt can take us over.

    a lot of folks don't have guns and don't want guns and in their minds one less gun out there lowers the chance of them getting shot.

    lots of folks drink alcohol and have cell phones, so despite all the drunk and distracted driving deaths, most folks look the other way.

    so getting rid of guns is an easy way for them to save some lives without losing anything of value to them.
     

    Glaron

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    so getting rid of guns is an easy way for them to save some lives without losing anything of value to them.

    When gangs, drug dealers, inner city crime is taken care of. They can talk.
    otherwise... "Bitch set-me up!!!!!" Is the side yer on.

    One size fits all really doesn't.
     

    Bob A

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    First, try living in (especially lower) Montgomery County for a while. If you can make yourself do it, talk to some people. You'll be shocked at the level of both ignorance-driven and rabidly ideological opposition to gun ownership of any kind. In no particular order, I've seen:

    1) People who have never personally seen or touched let alone used a firearm, and know of nobody in their family that ever has ... but who are convinced that they are so dangerous that anyone who would even consider owning one is frighteningly reckless and should be genuinely feared. As in, fear for your life feared. This sounds hyperbolic, but it's not. This is baseline for many voting, campaign-contributing households around here.

    2) The level of hatred for people who don't adhere to the progressive/lefty worldview is off the charts. These are folks who actually mean it when they say that if you didn't vote for Hillary then you are literally a Nazi. Anyone who doesn't see that Kavanaugh is obviously a serial rapist is a blind fool who wants to return to slave owning and beating wives into submission after we have a war against all the rest of the world. Sounds comic-book-villain-crazy, right? These people earnestly say things like that to each other. We're talking about well-off professionals, here, and this is how they see YOU. And because they know that organizations like the NRA lean towards politics that go against their grain, then the NRA is obviously evil incarnate, and anyone who might be even loosely "that type" is actively, deliberately trying to ruin the world and kill their daughters and whatnot. Yes, it's foaming-at-the-mouth crazy crap, but they've mentally assigned gun owners (and thus, gun ownership) into (wait for it!) a Basket Of Irredeemable Deplorables with whom there can be no conversation, no compromise, no understanding - and so ANYTHING that the Deplorables want to defend or think is good must be crushed. For a lot of these people, it's that simple. "I hate you, and you like guns, so I automatically, passionately hate guns, too."

    3) No, it's not about wanting to make sure that when they finally get total government control that you're disarmed so you can't resist the government. They think it's utterly delusional to even consider some rabble-populated band of militia crazies being a threat to the full power of a government military and law enforcement operating under the control of the politicians they think should run the country. They really do think that gun owners who consider the 2A to be in any way about resisting the government are naive fools. REPEAT: They think you're not just dumb and unsophisticated, but actually living in a childish fantasy world where you like to play with guns. That's the level of patronizing, condescending derision and contempt we're talking about, and it's not just a few of them, it's MOST of them.

    4) Some of them really do think that if only YOU weren't allowed to have a gun, ever, that eventually the criminals would run out of guns to have and we'd finally see peace in our time. They don't consider the routine murders by stabbing or beating to be meaningful because ALL they can think about is the murder that the NRA commits using guns. If you ask them to talk about, say, the "knife crime" in London, they'll deflect and say that's a local problem and at least they don't have thousands of children being murdered every hour by NRA lobbyists using bump stocks.

    Basically: the tribal political hatred has grown to inconceivably toxic heights, and the gun issue is just a super-convenient thing to latch on to. It's an easy lever for emotional appeals to get their people elected, and many of the more visible people they see on the news carrying in public or other horrific things come across to them like Old White Male Rednecks, and can be safely loathed like NO other group can. One simply cannot over-estimate the level of deeply-baked-in intellectual dishonesty and ignorance on this front. Mostly, guns are a proxy for their overall hatred of anyone who opposes their wider agenda.

    Sounds like you live in my neighborhood. Tough luck.

    While your summary is accurate at the street level, the anti-gun push is controlled from the very top. Those at the pinnacle of political decision-making understand what is necessary for control of populations. They are the ones who dispense money and set the marching orders for aspiring politicians.

    You want elected? You push our agenda, or no campaign funds for you!

    All the rest of it is trickle-down distortion, lies and ******** to weaponise the agenda. Teacher's unions support these policies, because they know who pays the salaries, and it's the union's job to push for money for their members. The media hypes it, because their owners are members of the upper control group.

    People are told what to believe, and when information is controlled and doled out in service to an agenda, and access to unbiased and unfiltered information is limited by the dispensers - Google, WaPo, NYT, and the networks - it's far simpler to take it in than to look for the true picture.

    You're also dealing with a younger, seriously less experienced population, whose sense and understanding of recent (WWII and forward) history is nearly non-existent. They do not have the knowledge base to see how they're being misinformed, and thanks to the increasing deficiency of the educational system to give them the tools to separate fact from propaganda, it's likely that they'll remain misinformed and swayed by the masses of equally misinformed peers.
     

    Melnic

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    There are those who are trying to set policy and direction. I think many have spoken to that and have already spoken to that. It ranges across the scale of
    Good intentions using bad ideas
    Supporting that which their opposition does not support
    Go where they can get attentions/votes/money

    My Personal opinion is that those in the general public who support much of the wacky gun control ideas are as you say "blindly naive".
     

    ComeGet

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    They want to disarm us for the very same reason that the Founders included the Second Amendment in the first place.

    Edit: Occam and Bob A captured it perfectly.
     
    Apr 8, 2012
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    First, try living in (especially lower) Montgomery County for a while. If you can make yourself do it, talk to some people. You'll be shocked at the level of both ignorance-driven and rabidly ideological opposition to gun ownership of any kind. In no particular order, I've seen:

    1) People who have never personally seen or touched let alone used a firearm, and know of nobody in their family that ever has ... but who are convinced that they are so dangerous that anyone who would even consider owning one is frighteningly reckless and should be genuinely feared. As in, fear for your life feared. This sounds hyperbolic, but it's not. This is baseline for many voting, campaign-contributing households around here.

    2) The level of hatred for people who don't adhere to the progressive/lefty worldview is off the charts. These are folks who actually mean it when they say that if you didn't vote for Hillary then you are literally a Nazi. Anyone who doesn't see that Kavanaugh is obviously a serial rapist is a blind fool who wants to return to slave owning and beating wives into submission after we have a war against all the rest of the world. Sounds comic-book-villain-crazy, right? These people earnestly say things like that to each other. We're talking about well-off professionals, here, and this is how they see YOU. And because they know that organizations like the NRA lean towards politics that go against their grain, then the NRA is obviously evil incarnate, and anyone who might be even loosely "that type" is actively, deliberately trying to ruin the world and kill their daughters and whatnot. Yes, it's foaming-at-the-mouth crazy crap, but they've mentally assigned gun owners (and thus, gun ownership) into (wait for it!) a Basket Of Irredeemable Deplorables with whom there can be no conversation, no compromise, no understanding - and so ANYTHING that the Deplorables want to defend or think is good must be crushed. For a lot of these people, it's that simple. "I hate you, and you like guns, so I automatically, passionately hate guns, too."

    3) No, it's not about wanting to make sure that when they finally get total government control that you're disarmed so you can't resist the government. They think it's utterly delusional to even consider some rabble-populated band of militia crazies being a threat to the full power of a government military and law enforcement operating under the control of the politicians they think should run the country. They really do think that gun owners who consider the 2A to be in any way about resisting the government are naive fools. REPEAT: They think you're not just dumb and unsophisticated, but actually living in a childish fantasy world where you like to play with guns. That's the level of patronizing, condescending derision and contempt we're talking about, and it's not just a few of them, it's MOST of them.

    4) Some of them really do think that if only YOU weren't allowed to have a gun, ever, that eventually the criminals would run out of guns to have and we'd finally see peace in our time. They don't consider the routine murders by stabbing or beating to be meaningful because ALL they can think about is the murder that the NRA commits using guns. If you ask them to talk about, say, the "knife crime" in London, they'll deflect and say that's a local problem and at least they don't have thousands of children being murdered every hour by NRA lobbyists using bump stocks.

    Basically: the tribal political hatred has grown to inconceivably toxic heights, and the gun issue is just a super-convenient thing to latch on to. It's an easy lever for emotional appeals to get their people elected, and many of the more visible people they see on the news carrying in public or other horrific things come across to them like Old White Male Rednecks, and can be safely loathed like NO other group can. One simply cannot over-estimate the level of deeply-baked-in intellectual dishonesty and ignorance on this front. Mostly, guns are a proxy for their overall hatred of anyone who opposes their wider agenda.

    I've lived in downtown Silver Spring for the past 10 years, and I think you're spot on. My neighbors are not particularly dumb or evil either, they are seriously misinformed and ignorant. If there is some common fault, it's that so much of their identity is wrapped up in being a member of the enlightened, progressive class, there's a serious backfire effect. It's not just about guns either, it's about everything on the platform. Even bringing up the idiocy of the plastic straw ban is blasphemy here.
     

    TheOriginalMexicanBob

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    The problem freedom faces...

    "I'm the president of the United States. I'm not the emperor of the United States." Barack Obama in an online statement in 2013 explaining his "problem".

    What past politicians believed...

    "Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used, and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible." Hubert Humphrey

    "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." Ronald Reagan
     
    yeah, hard for me to really think folks want us unarmed so the govt can take us over.

    a lot of folks don't have guns and don't want guns and in their minds one less gun out there lowers the chance of them getting shot.

    lots of folks drink alcohol and have cell phones, so despite all the drunk and distracted driving deaths, most folks look the other way.

    so getting rid of guns is an easy way for them to save some lives without losing anything of value to them.

    This is the same mentality most fudds have when you start talking to them about modern sporting rifles.."they might come for yours, but they don't want to take my hunting guns"....2 words......BULL SH*T...
     

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