xd40c
Business Owner-Gun Toter
My wife suffers from depression. I keep the guns locked to protect her and ME. I'm serious about that. She's tried a couple times to quit the meds, with her doctors help. Totally different personality...
Firearms Confiscated by AA Police department....help
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MSP said that if guns in the house are secure (in a safe) and not accessible by the person who shouldn't have access then they should not be confiscated. This includes felons and persons restricted because of mental illness. This is from the HB618 task force meetings. I heard this live and in person from two high ranking folks at MSP. Of course, what occurs in practice is different.
Yep, I know a guy that hung himself this summer. He talked about killing himself on FB. Then one day he posted . Yep, I'm going to do it. and he did.
Jason21237
Ultimate Member
Your not going want to hear what Im about to tell you but its the only logical choice. However much you think you live your fiance or want to be with her you need to walk away now and not look back. Her depression will rule both of your lives for as long your together.Its a ridiculously impossible thing to deal with. Most medications prescribed are just a guess by the doctor. No matter how much research has been done nobody really understands what makes the brain tick or why certain people have certain issues. Get a lawyer to be safe and then get your guns back. Get a gun safe and lock them up. If shes openly talking about suicide she needs to be evaluated and or possibly committed. Suicidal thoughts dont take long to progress into actions. I can seriously relate to your situation aside from the gun issue. If you have no connection to her other than emotions walk away before there are kids involved or a name change on her end.
bcbg
Member
Thank you for all the comments, I apologize if I started any debates.
My question was more in regards to what can be done to speed up the process. I don't believe her to be a danger to herself, and the medical staff at the hospital have concluded the same. They are releasing her tomorrow. I appreciate all of the suggestions and information.
To those suggesting I leave her, she is one of the strongest people I have ever met. I love the woman. I've been with her for over 5 years, and I know her very well. We are talking about someone who was intentionally abused most of her life in an attempt to turn her into a submissive pay check. She grew up being told she was worthless, friends were forbidden, and basic necessities such as a mattress to sleep on were denied. She was even raped at one point. Despite all of this it took several months of 14 hour work days in a very toxic work environment to drive her to the point of making the statement she did (she made it from her cell phone from work). I can't say that I would hold up as well under those circumstances. I am requiring her to go see a therapist for awhile to help her cope better with stress.
As for the firearms, the rifles were visible, the hand guns were not. I turned over the handguns because I was concerned for her safety and I wanted to be compliant. At the time I was not fully aware of exactly what had been said/done on facebook or that she was going to be detained and evaluated. The question was not about the legality of them being taken, it was about what I can do to help the process along now that I am no longer concerned about her hurting herself. For example, would having the original paperwork from when I purchased the firearm help? Would picking up a gun safe help in alleviating the AA police departments concerns?
My question was more in regards to what can be done to speed up the process. I don't believe her to be a danger to herself, and the medical staff at the hospital have concluded the same. They are releasing her tomorrow. I appreciate all of the suggestions and information.
To those suggesting I leave her, she is one of the strongest people I have ever met. I love the woman. I've been with her for over 5 years, and I know her very well. We are talking about someone who was intentionally abused most of her life in an attempt to turn her into a submissive pay check. She grew up being told she was worthless, friends were forbidden, and basic necessities such as a mattress to sleep on were denied. She was even raped at one point. Despite all of this it took several months of 14 hour work days in a very toxic work environment to drive her to the point of making the statement she did (she made it from her cell phone from work). I can't say that I would hold up as well under those circumstances. I am requiring her to go see a therapist for awhile to help her cope better with stress.
As for the firearms, the rifles were visible, the hand guns were not. I turned over the handguns because I was concerned for her safety and I wanted to be compliant. At the time I was not fully aware of exactly what had been said/done on facebook or that she was going to be detained and evaluated. The question was not about the legality of them being taken, it was about what I can do to help the process along now that I am no longer concerned about her hurting herself. For example, would having the original paperwork from when I purchased the firearm help? Would picking up a gun safe help in alleviating the AA police departments concerns?
These are questions that can only be answered by the officer handling the case at AA County PD. Every case is different and there's no set answer. The good news is they do have a relatively efficient process and the officer who handles these cases does his best to be helpful. A lot of departments you'd have your case buried under months of backlog and bureaucracy.
- Aug 9, 2012
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A couple of questions. You said the police were looking for her because she threatend to kill herself on Facebook. You said the police couldn't get a hold of her so they broke the front door down looking for her. You and your fiancé arrive at the house and discover the police there. Your firearms are confiscated.
Here are my questions.
1. Did friends or family try to contact you before they called the cops?
2. Did the police try to contact you?
3. At what point did you discover your firearms were confiscated?
4. Did the police tell you they took your guns?
5. How long were the police in your house?
6. Did the police tell you how you can get your guns back?
7. Are you going to marry her now knowing she might off herself?
8. Why does she want to kill herself?
Just trying to fill in some holes, no pun intended!
Sorry to say but probably right. We all think we can fix messed up but it rarely ever happens.Yeow, feel for you. You have a lot on your plate to consider and reconsider, this could be your future............
This right here. Can't leave guns lying around for children or the unstable to hurt themselves.
One thing I probably wouldn't do is get married at this point, she obviously needs help.
iobidder
1 point'er
This.....
Agree....
To the OP, but not to be this thorn but there is more to this than a FB posting alone. If what was said happened then the corresponding agency should be able to walk you through the process as to what happens next. Also do your homework, call MSP explain the situation and perhaps they can feed you documentation to help you.
Mooseman
R.I.P.- Hooligan #4
Op, good luck to you. I would first contact AAPD. If you do not get satisfaction with this phone call, contact an attorney. I know you love this woman, and will not take advice concerning staying with her or not. That said, I would think long and hard before marrying her. With her past as you descibed, she may be broken beyond repair. Good luck.
DeadeyeJack
Supporter of Freedom
You have been, through no direct action or request of your own, thrust into an interaction with a government agency. These are staffed by people, good and bad, competent, incompetent, and everywhere in between.
Like it or not, you need the services of someone who will know what to do, as well as what not to do, and will act as an agent for you, for you only, and is a professional in these matters. Hire a lawyer. It would be great if you could drive down main street, have a chat with Andy and Barney, and everything is given back with apologies for the misunderstanding. That is just not going to happen. Have all contact go through the lawyer. Remember ANYTHING you speak or write, or sign in agreement cannot be undone. One mistake on your part based on a suggestion by an incompetent, no matter how helpful the intent, suggestion can be your downfall in this or any future government interaction. Per your first post, it sounds like you will have more of that kind of activity in your near term future. You will not have to guess and wonder, you will KNOW that the correct course of action is being pursued, that the correct forms are filled the correct way, and that the government is responding as it should.
Like it or not, you need the services of someone who will know what to do, as well as what not to do, and will act as an agent for you, for you only, and is a professional in these matters. Hire a lawyer. It would be great if you could drive down main street, have a chat with Andy and Barney, and everything is given back with apologies for the misunderstanding. That is just not going to happen. Have all contact go through the lawyer. Remember ANYTHING you speak or write, or sign in agreement cannot be undone. One mistake on your part based on a suggestion by an incompetent, no matter how helpful the intent, suggestion can be your downfall in this or any future government interaction. Per your first post, it sounds like you will have more of that kind of activity in your near term future. You will not have to guess and wonder, you will KNOW that the correct course of action is being pursued, that the correct forms are filled the correct way, and that the government is responding as it should.
Name Taken
Ultimate Member
Believe it or not police legally take and legally return firearms all the time.
The department has a process...contact them and start the process. If you are unhappy with the time it takes or if you get the run around THEN get an attorney.
It's easy for everyone to tell you to piss money away and hire an attorney....it's not needed unless you get the run around or fail to get your firearms returned.
The department has a process...contact them and start the process. If you are unhappy with the time it takes or if you get the run around THEN get an attorney.
It's easy for everyone to tell you to piss money away and hire an attorney....it's not needed unless you get the run around or fail to get your firearms returned.
Merlin
Ultimate Member
How did what your wife post on Facebook come to the attention of the police?
Merlin
Ultimate Member
I'm sure the AA LEO's do not sit on Facebook so they can watch your wife's posting. Most likely they were called by one of her friends or maybe a family member to report her mental state because they were concerned about her.
What I do not understand is how is it these friends or family members that were concerned about your wife know your wife well enough to tell the police where you live, but not enough to know how to contact you where it had to turn into a case of the LEO's going to your home and knocking down your door to look for your wife?
Also, after the LEO's did go into your home to look for your wife and did not find her because she was with you, how did this search for your wife turn into looking around for firearms? We can assume they were there in your home to look for your wife that was not answering the door or phone. We can farther deduce they went in just in case the reason your wife was not not answering the door was because she may have harmed herself and needed medical attention.
But after they could see that your wife is not in any of the rooms through your house, How did it turn into a search for guns? Did the LEO's take all of the prescription drugs out of the house as well as any sharp objects like steak knives or razor blades your wife could use to harm herself with?
I must be missing something.
Merlin
Ultimate Member
Well that only makes sense if the guns were just laying out in plain sight. How did the search for his wife (and after not finding her) turn into a search for guns in closets, draws, under beds, or wherever people keep guns in their home?
Name Taken
Ultimate Member
We are assuming they even had to search.
It's kind of more likely the gal said she was going to kill herself with one of his firearms. They get there...force entry...no one there...they arrive...police ask about guns based off of face book post...he says he has guns and willingly turns them over.
He never contested an "illegal search" of the firearms.....kind of telling me he gave them over due to the situation.
But hey...I could be wrong....my tin foil hat might not be tight this ready in the morning.
Merlin
Ultimate Member
OK, I read the OP more closely where he said when they got home the guns were taken. You would hope the LEO's would give the gun owner the option of relocating the guns the next day.
strapped
Active Member
Merlin
Ultimate Member
I see. I hope it all works out for him and his wife. I can't imagine with it must be like going through something like this. Also this kind of stuff is always worse around the holidays.
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