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Old November 16th, 2018, 10:46 PM #21
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The original format 1911 flavor ClipDraw goes back to at least the 1960's . Likewise the Barami Hip Grip for most revolvers .

And indeed , both those products indeed " work " , in the context that they are far more secure than simply tucking in the waist band . ( Indeed , once upon a time ran into a 1911 ClipDraw user in the wild , and in a context involving fairly vigorous physical activity . I recognized it , and had a conversation about it . He liked it , reported no problems . But admittedly Mexican Carry results vary widely depending upon subtle differences in body shape, and the cut and fit of trousers . )
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DCMR Title 24 Chapter 23 section 24-2344.2 States “A licensee shall carry any pistol in a holster on their person in a firmly secure manner that is reasonably designed to prevent loss, theft, or accidental discharge of the pistol.”
If they are indicating that a CCW MUST be in a holster, then they screwed the pooch with this directive. Legally, the would SHALL is the same as MAY. It does not mean MUST. So this letter of understanding is just a request and is not a mandate of any type.
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Yep. Even SCOTUS ruled that shall=may
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Belt Clip provides just about the same amount of retention as any other passive friction based holster (Level 1). Next they are going to want thumb breaks and buttons to make virtually impossible to conceal carry because of a brick of a holster you will be required to use.
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Not sure if VGPlayer is discussing the little Clip Only do hickys , or discussing a holster , probably IWB , that attatches via belt clip ?

The "clip only do hicky " is a big step up over Mexican , if only because they prevent the gun from slipping down your pants leg on the inside . But does very little to nothing to control the gun rocking back & forth . This thinness and freedom of movement is why users like them , but it also contributes to the gun popping or getting bumped out the top .


( Bitting my tongue , because I prefer holsters with XXXX equipped with Yyyy , but people should be able to conceal as they decide is best for them .)
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Not sure if VGPlayer is discussing the little Clip Only do hickys , or discussing a holster , probably IWB , that attatches via belt clip ?

The "clip only do hicky " is a big step up over Mexican , if only because they prevent the gun from slipping down your pants leg on the inside . But does very little to nothing to control the gun rocking back & forth . This thinness and freedom of movement is why users like them , but it also contributes to the gun popping or getting bumped out the top .


( Bitting my tongue , because I prefer holsters with XXXX equipped with Yyyy , but people should be able to conceal as they decide is best for them .)
Have you ever used one? This couldn’t be more false.

The clip draw, attached to the pants, with a belt over the clip, and properly tightened belt, does an excellent job of curtailing ANY gun movement

The real (not imagined) draw back to the clip draw is the speed in which you can “unholster”. The clip draw generally sits deep and close to the body so you’ll never be as quick as with an actual holster but that’s the trade off for probably the most concealed “holster” on the market.
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My Seecamp with a clip is invisible when tucked front right and, when pressed up against a belt loop as this one was designed, it doesn't go anywhere.

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I am speaking just to the retention in preventing someone from taking the firearm. I really don't care how someone carries until they F'up and make all of us look bad.
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"Not only does this “Belt Clip” offer no protection for an accidental discharge but it also is not reasonably designed to prevent theft or loss nor does it firmly secure the weapon."
My point is most holsters don't have any active retention to prevent someone from taking the firearm so based on the standard from this email they could start requiring active retention if they want. They have the authority to set the standard until the court tells them otherwise.....
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