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Old November 16th, 2018, 09:13 PM #111
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RD, I know you disagree with the HQL in general, as we all do, but just a simple yes or no question to you. Do you have any issue with the LEO,military exemption?
I'm sorry but... That question is NOT a "simple YES or NO question".

IF it were ONLY LEO and Military... Yes... I might...

However, unlike what some folks would have us believe... it is NOT. The exemption is NOT for ALL LEO and Military members/retirees. It is ONLY for those who ALREADY meet the minimum required certifications written into the HQL Law by the MGA.

LEOs from other jurisdictions and members of other than US Military... do not get the exemption.

And on top of that MANY others do qualify and do get complete or partial exemptions from various requirements of the HQL Law. I have yet to see any irritated posts calling any of them out because they are a "different class". So far the complaints have focused on the LEOs.

My disagreement is and has been with the notion of "separate classes of persons". It is a ridiculous premise.

FACT: Due to this ridiculous HQL Law... NO person is allowed to purchase a firearm in the State of Maryland UNLESS they meet the basic requirements of the Law WITH Certifications which are described in that Law, as meeting the requirements of that law. That's right... NO person can purchase firearms here without the required certification.

- Those who already have the certifications which are accepted/recognized by the State of Maryland... are not required to repeat the process to get those certifications a second time before being legally allowed to purchase a firearm in the State of Maryland.

- Those who do NOT already have the certifications which are determined within the HQL as necessary to satisfy the minimum State requirements... must obtain those certifications before they can purchase a firearm in the State of Maryland.

All of this bickering and infighting because folks errantly believe that Police and Military are getting some kind of an unfair break... is simply feeding the ego of the very idiots who wrote the law and got it enacted.
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Lets try to put the training aside, again. Would you be ok with having LEO's and military having to PAY for fingerprints and PAY the application fee?
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Lets try to put the training aside, again. Would you be ok with having LEO's and military having to PAY for fingerprints and PAY the application fee?
Yes... let’s put the training aside ... PLEASE!!!

In fact... I already did put the training aside. Go back and read my last post. The one you just responded to.

That’s right... I focused on “certification accepted and recognized by the State as sufficient for compliance with the HQL law”. You won’t even find the word “training” anywhere in that post.

Those who have it already are not required to go back and get it over again. Nor should they be. It is redundant, wasteful, and serves no good purpose.
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If you don't want to answer the question then just say so. It's fine. Just trying to find out what LEO 's think of regular citizens having to pay for printing and app fees and exempt people don't.
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If you don't want to answer the question then just say so. It's fine. Just trying to find out what LEO 's think of regular citizens having to pay for printing and app fees and exempt people don't.
LEO here


Hate the whole thing, entire process. It’s got nothing to do with safety and is a gun owner/recreational tax. It’s done nothing to further safety of MD residents.

Take Baltimore out of the equation and I’d love to see Homicide stats for the rest of the state since it’s passing.

DC Homicide is up almost 50% so be prepared for the STATS citing CCW has helped increase homicide which clearly is a skewed BS cause and effect argument
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If you don't want to answer the question then just say so. It's fine. Just trying to find out what LEO 's think of regular citizens having to pay for printing and app fees and exempt people don't.
My answer is there... you may not like the answer. But it is most certainly there.

To break it down for you so maybe you’ll accept it...

• NO person should be required to pay ANY amount of money to ANY government agency... to be allowed to exercise a COTUS right.

• I paid for mine. As did ever other LEO who attended the Academy when I did. We worked off the debt.

• LEOs and Military Members are no more privileged or a different class than any other US Citizen. And claims to the contrary are ridiculous.
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• LEOs and Military Members are no more privileged or a different class than any other US Citizen. And claims to the contrary are ridiculous.
Then they should also have to get a license to exercise their rights, right?
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Then they should also have to get a license to exercise their rights, right?


Yup, you are right. I will start calling my reps and see if they can make it so police need the HQL and in the name of all being equal, see if they can pass an amendment requiring 56 hrs a year of training to maintain it. That’s what the police require and they can’t shoot, right. Maybe add actual live fire with a real qual course instead of the current watered down version of live fire.

Maybe I can get them to pass a bill to requirement to use pesticide or fertilizer. After all, I need to be licensed, so should you.

You want to divide gun owners, so be it. The way to get around bad laws is to have it apply to less people, not more people but many aren’t smart enough to see it.
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Then they should also have to get a license to exercise their rights, right?


But Hawk, if that were in the original Bill it would have had a very slim chance of becoming a Law. This is sarcasm in some form and Yes I have an hql. Got it through Groupon though
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My answer is there... you may not like the answer. But it is most certainly there.

To break it down for you so maybe you’ll accept it...

• NO person should be required to pay ANY amount of money to ANY government agency... to be allowed to exercise a COTUS right.

• I paid for mine. As did ever other LEO who attended the Academy when I did. We worked off the debt.

• LEOs and Military Members are no more privileged or a different class than any other US Citizen. And claims to the contrary are ridiculous.

You didn't really pay for it and you really didnt work off your dept. While you were "working off" your debt you were collecting a salary. The only time it would be a dept is if you quit within a 2 or 3 year time frame of graduating the academy. While you were in the academy getting training you were collecting a salary also. I think it a stretch to say you paid for it.
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