Go Back   Maryland Shooters > The Arsenal > Curio and Relic (C&R)
Don't Have An Account? Register Here

Join MD Shooters

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old October 16th, 2018, 11:22 PM #31
dreadpirate's Avatar
dreadpirate dreadpirate is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Cuba on the Chesapeake
Posts: 5,088
dreadpirate dreadpirate is offline
Senior Member
dreadpirate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Cuba on the Chesapeake
Posts: 5,088
Hmm - now they have CMP special (308) grades with a Winchester receiver.
__________________
US Army Veteran 82 - 92
NRA Life Member
dreadpirate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 17th, 2018, 12:03 AM #32
Abulg1972's Avatar
Abulg1972 Abulg1972 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Somewhere south of the Manson-Nixon Line
Posts: 4,080
Abulg1972 Abulg1972 is offline
Senior Member
Abulg1972's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Somewhere south of the Manson-Nixon Line
Posts: 4,080
Quote:
Originally Posted by dreadpirate View Post
Hmm - now they have CMP special (308) grades with a Winchester receiver.


This post reminds me of the days when surplus stuff was widely available for nothing and people were just buying stuff because they could.

This rifle will never, ever be worth more than a legit military surplus rifle. As long as there are available M1 Garands in 30-06 that havenít been messed with, you will never go right by buying a 308 Frankenstein. There are so many nice surplus guns that you could buy for the price of one of these.
Abulg1972 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 17th, 2018, 12:22 AM #33
dreadpirate's Avatar
dreadpirate dreadpirate is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Cuba on the Chesapeake
Posts: 5,088
dreadpirate dreadpirate is offline
Senior Member
dreadpirate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Cuba on the Chesapeake
Posts: 5,088
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abulg1972 View Post
There are so many nice surplus guns that you could buy for the price of one of these.
True - I just don't seem to see many Winchester receiver Garands for sale and those I see on GunBroker are rather high; like $1500. Course GunBroker can have crazy prices.
__________________
US Army Veteran 82 - 92
NRA Life Member
dreadpirate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 17th, 2018, 10:53 PM #34
Allen65 Allen65 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Anne Arundel County
Posts: 730
Allen65 Allen65 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Anne Arundel County
Posts: 730
Quote:
Originally Posted by dreadpirate View Post
For that matter, how does one tell the difference between a Garand that mas modified to shoot 308 and an original issue Garand 308 Garand? Don't they use the same receiver?
The barrel markings. The conversions were stamped "7.62", while commercial 308 barrels are stamped 308. There is no such thing as an "issue" 308 Garand. The Navy conversions had 7.62 chambers, whether they were the original sleeved ones that failed, or the freshly chambered barrels produced for Springfield Armory (the GOV organization, not the commercial company).

Receivers are identical. I have several Garands, some in 30-06 and several in .308. I actually find the 308s shoot slightly smaller groups, at least when good match-grade 168gr or 175gr ammo is used.
Allen65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 17th, 2018, 10:55 PM #35
Allen65 Allen65 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Anne Arundel County
Posts: 730
Allen65 Allen65 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Anne Arundel County
Posts: 730
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orlando View Post
Have 26 M1 garands in 30.06 and 2 in 308. They never had the block no reason for them. Its impossible to chamber a 30.06 rd in a 308 chamber, rifle will not fire as the receiver bridge keeps it from happening
The receiver bridge safety doesn't do much to prevent a floating firing pin from slamming into the back end of a 30-06 cartridge sticking out of a 308 chamber, though, even if the bridge and tang are in spec. That could end up in a very unpleasant out-of-battery experience.

The Navy used the blocks to make the conversions sailorproof, to prevent operator headspace problems from becoming a safety issue.
Allen65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 19th, 2018, 03:27 PM #36
Blacksmith101 Blacksmith101 is online now
Grumpy Old Man
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 11,807
Blacksmith101 Blacksmith101 is online now
Grumpy Old Man
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 11,807
People might be interested in this review post from the CMP Forum posted yesterday:
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=235600
Blacksmith101 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old October 19th, 2018, 07:39 PM #37
dreadpirate's Avatar
dreadpirate dreadpirate is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Cuba on the Chesapeake
Posts: 5,088
dreadpirate dreadpirate is offline
Senior Member
dreadpirate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Cuba on the Chesapeake
Posts: 5,088
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacksmith101 View Post
People might be interested in this review post from the CMP Forum posted yesterday:
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=235600
You're killing me. You know I want one. And if they bring back the 30-06 version, well, that's it.

But -will there be another Winchester receiver offering?? I really want a Winchester receiver.
__________________
US Army Veteran 82 - 92
NRA Life Member
dreadpirate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 19th, 2018, 08:36 PM #38
Blacksmith101 Blacksmith101 is online now
Grumpy Old Man
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 11,807
Blacksmith101 Blacksmith101 is online now
Grumpy Old Man
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 11,807
Quote:
Originally Posted by dreadpirate View Post
You're killing me. You know I want one. And if they bring back the 30-06 version, well, that's it.

But -will there be another Winchester receiver offering?? I really want a Winchester receiver.
With the CMP you never know. What I learned about CMP is buy it while you can. I have waited to long and am still waiting for things likely to never return.
Blacksmith101 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old October 20th, 2018, 12:14 PM #39
dreadpirate's Avatar
dreadpirate dreadpirate is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Cuba on the Chesapeake
Posts: 5,088
dreadpirate dreadpirate is offline
Senior Member
dreadpirate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Cuba on the Chesapeake
Posts: 5,088
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacksmith101 View Post
With the CMP you never know. What I learned about CMP is buy it while you can. I have waited to long and am still waiting for things likely to never return.
I have heard (via CMP forum) that there probably will be a 30-06 offering, and I agree with Abulg1972 that a Garand in 30-06 is more collectable/desirable (unless it's a Navy rebuild). I am sure the CMP Special 308's are very, very nice; but my personal preference would be a Garand in 30-06. My reasons for asking about the 308's were out of curiosity than anything else.
__________________
US Army Veteran 82 - 92
NRA Life Member
dreadpirate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 21st, 2018, 04:37 PM #40
K-43's Avatar
K-43 K-43 is offline
West of Morning Side
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: PG
Posts: 943
K-43 K-43 is offline
West of Morning Side
K-43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: PG
Posts: 943
If they have enough Winchester receivers to offer 308s then they will probably do 30-06 also. Things are always changing with CMP offerings.
I got my CMP Winchester 30-06 back in the '80s when you had to shoot a clinic or match or have a DD-214. It was just luck of the draw. I didn't request a Winchester and I don't think back then you could choose what you got. I just got lucky. It was $265 or $285 as I recall.
Things are always changing.
Funny part is that about a year later I bought a Korean surplus SA barreled in 308 for about $265. It was an Arlington Ordnance "Blue Sky" rifle. It has the steel magazine block that is controversial in another thread. I probably got it at Atlantic in Silver Spring. I bought a lot of things there back in the day.

One thing you may find about Winchesters is they were not the best in finish. Mine was pretty worn bright on much of the receiver. It has a blacker finish than any SA I've seen. And another thing, it has smoother surfaces than your average SA or HR. Just looks like it was machined differently or something. Maybe mine is just weird. I've never done anything to it other than clean and shoot.
Searching the serial # I did find it was on a list issued to 6th Army in Okinawa and then again when turned-in at a base in Texas after the War.
Go to Garand Collector's Assoc website and find links to known records.
__________________
No Pollo a la Brasa MCC
K-43 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  Home Page > Forum List > The Arsenal > Curio and Relic (C&R)


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:03 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2018, Congregate Media, LP Privacy Policy Terms of Service