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  • KingClown

    SOmething Witty
    Jul 29, 2020
    1,154
    Deep Blue MD
    I’m well aware of his rhetoric, Harris’s rhetoric, their 2A policy proposals and the dem platform generally on guns. This is one of the main reasons I don’t want to cast a vote for Biden. I am vehemently opposed to Trump and how “Trumpism” has replaced the Republican party.

    Therein lies the dilemma. A vote for Jo Jorgenson is nothing more than a protest vote and will be a nominal support to the Libertarian party, which I don’t support but would much prefer that party to Trump’s Republican party.

    JO J as you have stated is not gonna happen. But now you have such blind hate for a man that you are willing to risk full blown communism? So how is Biden better than Trump? Please be prepared to back up your comments especially if you use the typical leftist hes racist shit. So far including this board and many others no one has ever managed to show me what he said that was racist. So give examples of these horrible things he has done.
     

    JerseyMike

    Active Member
    Dec 16, 2019
    437
    Germantown
    JO J as you have stated is not gonna happen. But now you have such blind hate for a man that you are willing to risk full blown communism? So how is Biden better than Trump? Please be prepared to back up your comments especially if you use the typical leftist hes racist shit. So far including this board and many others no one has ever managed to show me what he said that was racist. So give examples of these horrible things he has done.

    It’s not blind hate for a man, but what he, and the Republicans under his leadership, have done.

    The fact that you think electing Biden would lead to full blown communism leads me to believe it wouldn’t be a constructive exercise for either of us to debate the pros and cons of Trump. You have your viewpoints and beliefs, I’m not going to try to change them or attack them we just disagree.

    I chimed in to share where I am at in this election and the dilemma I face, and I’m not alone (although I’m probably in a significant minority on this site).
     
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    rbird7282

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 6, 2012
    18,538
    Columbia
    It’s not blind hate for a man, but what he, and the Republicans under his leadership, have done.

    The fact that you think electing Biden would lead to full blown communism leads me to believe it wouldn’t be a constructive exercise for either of us to debate the pros and cons of Trump. You have your viewpoints and beliefs, I’m not going to try to change them or attack them we just disagree.

    I chimed in to share where I am at in this election and the dilemma I face, and I’m not alone (although I’m probably in a significant minority on this site).


    Ok, I’ll play. Name some things that the Republicans (and the President) have done that you don’t like. I don’t want to hear CNN talking point BS either. I want facts. Be specific.


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    KingClown

    SOmething Witty
    Jul 29, 2020
    1,154
    Deep Blue MD
    It’s not blind hate for a man, but what he, and the Republicans under his leadership, have done.

    The fact that you think electing Biden would lead to full blown communism leads me to believe it wouldn’t be a constructive exercise for either of us to debate the pros and cons of Trump. You have your viewpoints and beliefs, I’m not going to try to change them or attack them we just disagree.

    I chimed in to share where I am at in this election and the dilemma I face, and I’m not alone (although I’m probably in a significant minority on this site).

    So what I am hearing is you have nothing and do what the TV says. You were unable to give one simple example and proved my point. You all on the left say this but when its time to put up you bow out.
     

    KingClown

    SOmething Witty
    Jul 29, 2020
    1,154
    Deep Blue MD
    Ok, I’ll play. Name some things that the Republicans (and the President) have done that you don’t like. I don’t want to hear CNN talking point BS either. I want facts. Be specific.


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    He wont, This has happened %100 of the time I ask a lefty what has he done thats so bad? What has he done thats racist? They dissapear and on the rare occasion they dont it a response like he left.

    Whats he gonna say Trump cheated on his wife? Biden was diddling his best friends wife then married her. Trump put kids in cages? Obummer/Biden started that Trump ended it. Shampoo….Rinse…Repeat.
     

    JerseyMike

    Active Member
    Dec 16, 2019
    437
    Germantown
    Ok, I’ll play. Name some things that the Republicans (and the President) have done that you don’t like. I don’t want to hear CNN talking point BS either. I want facts. Be specific.


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    1. The trade war with China has hurt the economy and is a failure. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...gain-how-the-us-china-trade-war-hurt-america/
    2. The treatment of undocumented immigrants, especially family separation, was unnecessary, cruel and inhumane. https://time.com/5314769/family-separation-policy-donald-trump/
    3. His rhetoric throughout his presidency has significantly contributed to expanding the political polarization and division within the country and fanned the fires of the cultural war that is going on. There are too many to list, look at his statements (in context) and twitter feed. No, it is not "just the way he talks", he is accountable for what he says and writes.
    4. His judicial appointments of more hardcore conservative judges, some of which are not qualified for service at the district or circuit court level https://ballotpedia.org/ABA_ratings_during_the_Trump_administration and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_judicial_appointment_controversies
    5. His disrespect for veterans https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...t-at-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured and https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ho-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
    6. His travel ban. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/trumps-travel-ban-logic-flaw/579631/
    7. The enormous amount of lies he tells and disinformation/misinformation he spreads https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ald-trump-most-fact-checked-president/579664/
    8. His complete failure to take any steps to address climate change and general hostility towards science.
    9. He has isolated us from our allies and dimished America's role, influence and reputation on the world stage. https://apnews.com/article/d8a59e876979f38bbd852a701f495ca1
    10. The national debt has only expanded further under Trump. https://www.newsweek.com/under-trumps-watch-americas-national-debt-has-increased-66-trillion-1521418
    11. Instead of "draining the swamp" Trump made politics more corrupt. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/us/politics/trump-lobbyists-swamp-campaign.html And https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...rain-swamp-biden-drown-him-column/5228137002/

    These are the top ones that come to mind. COVID I don't know what to say. Obviously Trump didn't cause it, and his rhetoric and attitudes towards COVID have been unhelpful and he has not taken leadership during this crisis. How much of the negative impact can be attributed to him I'm not sure, so I won't throw that on the list right now.

    #3, 5, 7 and 11 I'll attribute to just Trump, but the others the Republican party has fully embraced and the party is moving further away from the center.

    I don't watch CNN (or any TV) and am not a fan of their journalism so I'm not sure what their talking points are.
     

    TexDefender

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 28, 2017
    1,572
    I’m well aware of his rhetoric, Harris’s rhetoric, their 2A policy proposals and the dem platform generally on guns. This is one of the main reasons I don’t want to cast a vote for Biden. I am vehemently opposed to Trump and how “Trumpism” has replaced the Republican party.



    Therein lies the dilemma. A vote for Jo Jorgenson is nothing more than a protest vote and will be a nominal support to the Libertarian party, which I don’t support but would much prefer that party to Trump’s Republican party.
    What is this "Trumpism" you speak of?

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    TexDefender

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 28, 2017
    1,572
    I'll take the number 1. The trade war with China is enviable. And it isn't Trump's, it everyones really, we want cheap goods, companies want cheap labor, investors what the best returns for their investments. But Trump.is right. This pandemic has proven it, in my opinion. Our supply train is way to dependent on that country. Look at the delay on may goods, much less those goods that are important in this epidemic. The look at their expansion attempts in the Pacific. Sorry he is right, and don't forget that his opponent is in deep with China. I'm not about to give him the keys to the kingdom.

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    JerseyMike

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    Dec 16, 2019
    437
    Germantown

    TexDefender

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 28, 2017
    1,572
    In regards to the second, you need to have grown up.on the border and see happens. Criminals lie, they have grabbed children and even too children that families willing give up. This didn't start up the current administration. Also the children are treated humanly and much better than their home country do. That is a fact.

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    TexDefender

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 28, 2017
    1,572
    This from the Washington post. The paper that continuely has anonymous sources and have been caught make up stuff. Tribalism? That is rich Democrats will not even listen to anyone unless they have a "D" after their name. And in my mind there is nothing wrong with being proud of your country.

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    Reptile

    Ultimate Member
    Sep 29, 2014
    7,282
    Columbia MD
    There’s reporting that the Democrats are strongly advising their voters who received mail-in ballots to take them to drop boxes, not to mail them. They are expressing the same concerns that Trump has expressed about the potential for mail-in ballots not to be counted for a variety of reasons. Even that won’t eliminate the problems of improperly prepared ballots and mismatched signatures.
     

    Applehd

    Throbbing Member
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 26, 2012
    5,285
    In regards to the second, you need to have grown up.on the border and see happens. Criminals lie, they have grabbed children and even too children that families willing give up. This didn't start up the current administration. Also the children are treated humanly and much better than their home country do. That is a fact.

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    Don't forget to sprinkle in a little context to the flood at the border... thousands just happened to head our way of their own accord... no one coerced them to come here... right...? My ass...
     

    TexDefender

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 28, 2017
    1,572
    True, but here is one fact that the opposition to Trump will not answer. If my wife and her family immigrated following the law and rules, what makes these individuals more important that the current laws shouldn't apply?

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    Mightydog

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    If you don’t vote you don’t deserve to “whine”!
     

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    What’s this about Texas lately? Blocking a constitutional law? Obummer appointee.
     

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    LeadSled1

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    MDS Supporter
    Apr 25, 2009
    4,245
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    These are words from anonymous people being reported as such, that they heard him say something.

    How about Biden calling a room full of active duty service members stupid bastards to their face because they didn’t clap for him, or calling them dull and slow afterwards?

     

    boothdoc

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Mar 23, 2008
    5,133
    Frederick county
    You know, I don’t agree with people who say you can’t whine if you don’t vote.

    We live in a free country and they can whine and not vote.
    I can also laugh at them the whole time.
     

    CaptPrice

    Member
    Jul 14, 2019
    58
    Annapolis
    Note to Norton, if this comment results in my ban I understand.

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    My understanding is no one but God, is perfect. Is the current president perfect? No. So what you are looking for in a president? To vote for the current president or not is your right. I have defended your right to say what you believe and now I will say mine. I would rather vote for the current president than the candidate that sides with Antifa, BLM, socialist that are looking to move us to communism or people that will take further rights from me so they have more power.

    Every election season someone like you and the folks at the "Lincoln Project" come out to say the Republican candidate is not a true conservative. Well, I don't care. To not vote during this election is indeed a vote for the left liberal side period. The Democrats are counting on it. Do you really think mail-in voting is not going to cause a problem? You don't think the hissyfit the Democrats are going over right now is not tied to that? To not vote is to vote for the Democrats.

    If you had any real concern for your rights you would know that. People in Maryland slept at the wheel and that is why we have the laws we have today.. While your looking for the perfect canadate your being robbed. And that robber is going to take everything and put you in chains where you will never get out or your rights back. I was an independent, but the last almost four years now have shown me the "Democrats" are no longer that. They are socialist, they, like certain other countries want you to think they are your pals. Right up to the moment they no longer need you. The price of Freedom is high, and it requires ever vigilance.

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    Politics aren’t ever going to be exact in getting what you want. I think, in terms of gun rights which is a singular issue, we have to vote Republican. The SCOTUS nomination is the only thing to consider imo. I wanted to vote for Jo, because Maryland is going to go Blue regardless. Def voting Trump now. Unless his SCOTUS nominee gets in, then I don’t really care about him anymore.


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