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Old September 6th, 2017, 11:23 PM #1
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AR pistol and MD

An AR-pistol in md can be any length correct? Therefore not subject to hbar rule. In theory, I could have a 16 inch barreled ar pistol with any barrel profile?

I understand after a certain amount of inches this method can also become classified as a firearm or something other than a pistol and a vertical fore grip can be utilized?
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Old September 6th, 2017, 11:32 PM #2
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Let's say barrel all said and done is 15.5 NOT 16. Would not be classified as a rifle and not subject to hbar rule
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Old September 7th, 2017, 07:14 AM #3
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Cpl different topics here, but here we go :

Pistol may be any bbl length, any bbl profile ( Md ).

Longer than 26in OAL becomes an "Other" , not subject to being considered an AOW , meaning no issues with vertical foregrips ( Federal ).

For purposes of 4-203 , Maryland considers all firearms with < 16in bbl to be Handgun for Carry and Tranasport purposes, regardless of its status under Federal law .

What that means is IF your non-shoulder stocked AR has 15.9 in bbl , it must be transported like a handgun. Ie only to/ from the specific approved destinations. IF your non-shoulder stocked, over 26in OAL AR has 16.1in bbl, it may be transported like a long gun. Ie unloaded, no specific destinations required, subject to same handfull of Grandfathered local ordinances as regular long guns .
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Any of the braces can be shouldered FYI
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Old September 7th, 2017, 09:02 AM #5
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Cpl different topics here, but here we go :

Pistol may be any bbl length, any bbl profile ( Md ).

Longer than 26in OAL becomes an "Other" , not subject to being considered an AOW , meaning no issues with vertical foregrips ( Federal ).

For purposes of 4-203 , Maryland considers all firearms with < 16in bbl to be Handgun for Carry and Tranasport purposes, regardless of its status under Federal law .

What that means is IF your non-shoulder stocked AR has 15.9 in bbl , it must be transported like a handgun. Ie only to/ from the specific approved destinations. IF your non-shoulder stocked, over 26in OAL AR has 16.1in bbl, it may be transported like a long gun. Ie unloaded, no specific destinations required, subject to same handfull of Grandfathered local ordinances as regular long guns .
outstanding way to clearly put it. so in short, length of barrel on a pistol lower never truly changes the guns status in regards to an HBAR ruling. only transportation policy is affected.
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Old September 7th, 2017, 09:41 AM #6
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Pretty much.

Depends on your priorities between wishing for :

1. Shortest possible ( somthing) with front vertical grip

2. Trunk/ Truck gun
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Old September 12th, 2017, 05:56 AM #7
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Cpl different topics here, but here we go :

Pistol may be any bbl length, any bbl profile ( Md ).

Longer than 26in OAL becomes an "Other" , not subject to being considered an AOW , meaning no issues with vertical foregrips ( Federal ).

For purposes of 4-203 , Maryland considers all firearms with < 16in bbl to be Handgun for Carry and Tranasport purposes, regardless of its status under Federal law .

What that means is IF your non-shoulder stocked AR has 15.9 in bbl , it must be transported like a handgun. Ie only to/ from the specific approved destinations. IF your non-shoulder stocked, over 26in OAL AR has 16.1in bbl, it may be transported like a long gun. Ie unloaded, no specific destinations required, subject to same handfull of Grandfathered local ordinances as regular long guns .
Just clarifying:
a. An AR pistol with Sig Brace, if you occasionally pair with a 16" upper is still an AR pistol?

b. You don't need to use a HBAR upper since it is a pistol (the Sig brace was not replaced by a stock)?
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A. I have long since refrained from any commentary involving any flavor of "brace" .

B. A *Pistol* with any length of bbl would not require HBAR, but I suspect that only tangentially addresses the above . As to said upper configuration in combination with any flavor of "brace" , see A directly above.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 09:28 AM #9
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Any of the braces can be shouldered FYI
I am not a lawyer, but as far as I understand, that's not necessarily true in terms of what the ATF has released. It's completely contingent on your intent when constructing your AR pistol. Braces are not designed for shouldering, and shouldering a brace does not necessarily mean the weapon was redesigned into a rifle, as a stock is what dictates if something is considered a rifle or SBR. I would not make the general statement that braces can be shouldered, because they cannot be (depending at which ATF letter you're reading).
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I am not a lawyer, but as far as I understand, that's not necessarily true in terms of what the ATF has released. It's completely contingent on your intent when constructing your AR pistol. Braces are not designed for shouldering, and shouldering a brace does not necessarily mean the weapon was redesigned into a rifle, as a stock is what dictates if something is considered a rifle or SBR. I would not make the general statement that braces can be shouldered, because they cannot be (depending at which ATF letter you're reading).
its 100% OK to shoulder a pistol brace. Literally zero doubt.


   
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