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Old September 13th, 2017, 09:00 AM #51
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Worst post of the thread.

Really? How many laws do you think you break a day? Not better than a Baltimore thug? I disagree. I am not advocating breaking unconstitutional laws but I won't sh1t talk those who make the choice.

A free man following the supreme law of the land that understands "shall not be infringed" should not be compared to a Baltimore thug.
If we are being intellectually honest, and I hope we are, people out of jail should be deemed no danger to society (otherwise, why release them) and have their gun (voting etc.) rights restored. Hence, they should be allowed to carry to protect themselves too. And if we are further being honest, I strongly disagree with drug laws, they have given the state excuses to violate 4th and 5th amendment rights too.

Unfortunately, the "supreme law" is what >=5 Justices say it is, and so far they have not said Maryland carry laws (or federal drug laws) are unconstitutional. Until then, no matter how strongly I disagree, I do not think we should be advocating breaking them in Maryland. Breaking laws for convenience or to make a buck is the essence of Baltimore. On the plus side, it would seem to me a retired police officer could make a strong case to get a permit. Problem solved.
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If we are being intellectually honest, and I hope we are, people out of jail should be deemed no danger to society (otherwise, why release them) and have their gun (voting etc.) rights restored. Hence, they should be allowed to carry to protect themselves too. And if we are further being honest, I strongly disagree with drug laws, they have given the state excuses to violate 4th and 5th amendment rights too.

Unfortunately, the "supreme law" is what >=5 Justices say it is, and so far they have not said Maryland carry laws (or federal drug laws) are unconstitutional. Until then, no matter how strongly I disagree, I do not think we should be advocating breaking them in Maryland. Breaking laws for convenience or to make a buck is the essence of Baltimore. On the plus side, it would seem to me a retired police officer could make a strong case to get a permit. Problem solved.
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Never carried in Wisconsin or Maryland. Knowing I would move to a free state I did not want to risk being a prohibited person and kissing my permit goodby. Carried in PA and Virginia with my Florida CCW.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 11:30 AM #55
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This thread reminds me of Ohio's law that allows open carry, but restricts having a loaded firearm in a car without a CCW permit.
Ohio also has a law prohibiting secret compartments in vehicles.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.241
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Ohio also has a law prohibiting secret compartments in vehicles.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.241
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Wow ! I read the linked Federal statute on LEOSA, and it doesn't say what had been summarized/ tought for decades . If I was more motivated, I would research if this language was changed when LEOSA was tweaked a few years ago .

As current law is written :

Prohibited where No Gun Signs have force of law .
May be prohibited on state or local Gov't owned property.

Period.


NOT included : Catagoric prohibitions for catagories of places and events not involving gov't owned real estate . Means no bans on bars, churches, sporting events, political events, union meetings, hospitals, and etc, etc .
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Once a year, I get on my Harley and do a no-schedule, no-destination road trip. I go by myself and the first time I did this, ended up in Bangor, ME. The second year, Louisiana, having ridden all the way down the Mississippi river from Burlington, Iowa. These trips have generally ended up between 2,500 to 3,500 miles but again, there is no schedule and no destination. Basically, I just get up in the morning, watch the news to see where the weather will be best and go there, generally avoiding interstates. I usually stay in little motels, but sometimes sleep in a tarp on the road if I get sleepy and find myself too far from a place to stop. I've thought long and hard about the costs and benefits of concealed carry, versus the risks of being somewhere on the road without self defense and wishing I had some. I think the concealed carry laws in states like Maryland are an abomination, mindless laws designed for people who will ignore them anyway, but which do affect law-abiding people like me a in a real way. So every year when I get ready for the road trip, I have to make a decision - observe the most restrictive law in any state through which I might pass, or not. I can't tell you how much I resent having to think about this. We really do need national CCW and I wonder how many people are made criminals by the insane patchwork of nonsensical law that states like Maryland impose on self-defense. Sorry to rant - it's on my mind because I'll be leaving soon.
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Once a year, I get on my Harley and do a no-schedule, no-destination road trip. I go by myself and the first time I did this, ended up in Bangor, ME. The second year, Louisiana, having ridden all the way down the Mississippi river from Burlington, Iowa. These trips have generally ended up between 2,500 to 3,500 miles but again, there is no schedule and no destination. Basically, I just get up in the morning, watch the news to see where the weather will be best and go there, generally avoiding interstates. I usually stay in little motels, but sometimes sleep in a tarp on the road if I get sleepy and find myself too far from a place to stop. I've thought long and hard about the costs and benefits of concealed carry, versus the risks of being somewhere on the road without self defense and wishing I had some. I think the concealed carry laws in states like Maryland are an abomination, mindless laws designed for people who will ignore them anyway, but which do affect law-abiding people like me a in a real way. So every year when I get ready for the road trip, I have to make a decision - observe the most restrictive law in any state through which I might pass, or not. I can't tell you how much I resent having to think about this. We really do need national CCW and I wonder how many people are made criminals by the insane patchwork of nonsensical law that states like Maryland impose on self-defense. Sorry to rant - it's on my mind because I'll be leaving soon.
Thanks for sharing. I'd love to be able to do this some day. Come back and tell us how it went or better yet give us updates from the road. And yes the patchwork of laws is crazy.
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What is says is that LEOSA exempts eligible people from state and local laws, with 2 exceptions.



The state/local gov is still allowed to ban carry on thier property.



Private people are still allowed to ban carry on their private property.



The last I payed attention, it was illegal to conceal carry in a bar in Virginia. LEOSA exempts qualified people from that law. However, a owner of a bar is still allowed to ban carry, and LEOSA does not exempt that.



There is more to the law and some amendments also. You can't be prohibited under federal law. You can be under the influence of drugs/alcohol.



One amendment exempted qualified people from ammo restrictions. The mag capacity limits are not exempted.



One that you may be confusing is that carry used to be banned in federal parks. The amendment did not make it legal or illegal. It said that in federal parks, it will be up to the state to allow or not based on their state carry laws.





There is no federal law that says that LEOSA doesn't allow conceal carry but local permit holders may.



Speaking of public schools, they are gov property and the gov can ban carry on gov property. There are states that don't allow carry on school property. Some of them have an exemption for people that have a concealed carry permit. LEOSA is not a conceal carry permit and would not apply to the exemption.









There is a lot to LEOSA. It is not very restrictive but it is not unrestricted either. NRA-ILA has a lot of info on it.


It is legal to carry in a bar in Virginia (with a permit) but you can't drink alcohol.



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