SB 281: A summary of some key provisions as passed by the House

gsrcrxsi · Apr 3, 2013

What about receivers owned (but not assembled into a rifle).

What happens to an AK receievers that is home built but not assembled into a complete rifle? In the eyes of the law, the receiever is the gun.

ddeanjohnson · Apr 3, 2013

Turbo2Point4 said:
#11 i thought the training requirements were lessend by amendment, or am i thinking of an amendment that was rejected?

I do not know which training requirements you are referring to (handgun qualification license or carry permit), or which amendment. But the training requirements in the House-passed bill are accurately summarized in my original post.

72horse · Apr 3, 2013

Sorry to sound dense, but what 77R? I have a Tactical SKS purchased from a good friend of mine last year...is there something I'm missing? I didn't think I needed anything more then a handwritten bill of sale? NO?

gsrcrxsi · Apr 3, 2013

TonyB. said:
16 hrs of training for CCW is ridiculous. What the HELL is an instructor going to do to fill this time? I can see 8, 4 classroom and 4 live fire but 16 is nothing but a deterrent.

Plus very few still qualify for CCW anyway with GSR in effect.

gsrcrxsi · Apr 3, 2013

72horse said:
Sorry to sound dense, but what 77R? I have a Tactical SKS purchased from a good friend of mine last year...is there something I'm missing? I didn't think I needed anything more then a handwritten bill of sale? NO?

+1. Similarly with my case. Homebuilt AK = no bill of sale, no 77r, no paper trail of any kind.

Turbo2Point4 · Apr 3, 2013

72horse said:
Sorry to sound dense, but what 77R? I have a Tactical SKS purchased from a good friend of mine last year...is there something I'm missing? I didn't think I needed anything more then a handwritten bill of sale? NO?

77r MD regulated firearm form, i thought you were talking about a regulated firearm

Turbo2Point4 · Apr 3, 2013

ddeanjohnson said:
I do not know which training requirements you are referring to (handgun qualification license or carry permit), or which amendment. But the training requirements in the House-passed bill are accurately summarized in my original post.

the handgun qualification license, i thought it was cut down to 4 or 8 hrs

ddeanjohnson · Apr 3, 2013

gsrcrxsi said:
What about receivers owned (but not assembled into a rifle). What happens to an AK receievers that is home built but not assembled into a complete rifle? In the eyes of the law, the receiever is the gun.

We may be getting in over my head on this point, technically, but I'll take a stab at it. I think if the rifle existed as a regulated rifle prior to October 1, 2013, and was lawfully possessed, then it would be grandfathered in. If it did not exist as a lawfully possessed regulated rifle on that date, it is not grandfathered in, unless you had already ordered it or submitted paperwork for it by that date. Does that help?

fidelity · Apr 3, 2013

TonyB. said:
16 hrs of training for CCW is ridiculous. What the HELL is an instructor going to do to fill this time? I can see 8, 4 classroom and 4 live fire but 16 is nothing but a deterrent.

Movie marathon? If there are no criteria for what such training is supposed to encompass, I would imagine that the actual training will be done within a reasonable time frame (e.g. 6-8 hrs) and the rest of the time will be dealt with creatively (e.g. tagging on an IPDA type event).

Added afterwards: I think the equally large deterrent is expense. 16 hrs training will be nearly twice (if not twice) the cost of 8 hrs training given the time required of the instructors and at a facility.

Crandolph · Apr 3, 2013

Would active Duty Military members stationed in Maryland but not a resident be required to register their regulated arms?

ThunderGunder · Apr 3, 2013

does this affect SBRs? I have an AR lower (currently waiting on paper to come back) and i want to register it as a SBR in the future...will i be able to after october 1st or do i need to get the paper work filed before then?

ddeanjohnson · Apr 3, 2013

72horse said:
Sorry to sound dense, but what 77R? I have a Tactical SKS purchased from a good friend of mine last year...is there something I'm missing? I didn't think I needed anything more then a handwritten bill of sale? NO?

The 77R is the Maryland application to purchase or transfer a regulated firearm (either a handgun or a regulated long gun). The "SKS with detachable magazine" is a regulated rifle under the Public Safety Act. Therefore, legal transfer of a "SKS with detachable magazine" requires the submission of a 77R, background check, etc. The transfer process can be accomplished either through someone who has both a Federal Firearms License and a state dealers' license, or at a Maryland State Police barracks (call to make arrangements ahead of time). I am not familiar with the specifics of a the "Tactical SKS" and so I cannot advise you if it is regulated.

72horse · Apr 3, 2013

Interested point. I see that my SKS is now a regulated assult weapon since I have put a detachable 20rd magazine on it (not to mention the pistol grip) but this was done AFTER I purchased it and put a tapco stock on it. I am 922r compliant as I've replaced more then the required amount of parts with new US parts.
Question is, since I did this while the 20 rd mag was still legal, what if anything do I need to do UNDER CURRENT LAW if anything to stay legal in the GREAT state of MD? Anyone?

300RUM · Apr 3, 2013

i'm very tired of this ********. I am not going to waste my time learning or obeying their Unconstitutional laws..Period..

72horse · Apr 3, 2013

I still have ALL the originial parts so technically I could put it back in all of 10 minutes and be legal once again, but I like the way it looks now better.
Anyway what part of SHALL NOT INFRINGE don't these people get? Just saying?

clandestine · Apr 3, 2013

Unless there is more legal clarification from the Attorney General or MSP then any firearm your DID NOT do a MSP 77r on, that will be considered "Banned" will have to be registered before October 1st 2013.

Current MSP 77r has a voluntary registrant option on it. Without registering the weapon the burden of proof may be on the owner to prove when the weapon was acquired. This is a HUGE grey area and one I would NOT want to find myself in. I don't know if there's the same $10 fee for the 77r but one 77r with extension forms will allow all questionable firearms to be registered in one shot. I already have my forms filled out and ready to be turned in when this law takes place.

For home built guns it would probably be smart to have a Make, Model, and series. # engraved on the firearm and have it registered before October 1 2013, otherwise you can't prove when it was made and making certain rifles is prohibited after 10/1/2013.

ddeanjohnson · Apr 3, 2013

Turbo2Point4 said:
the handgun qualification license, i thought it was cut down to 4 or 8 hrs

One of the possible ways to fulfill the handgun qualification license training requirement is indeed "satisfactory completion (of) . . . a firearms training course approved by the Secretary that includes . . . a minimum of 4 hours of instruction . . . (including) a firearms qualification component . . .," but there are a number of exemptions and other routes to satisfying the requirement. The training requirement for the handgun qualification license must only be fulfilled once.

72horse · Apr 3, 2013

Thanks,
That's what I was wondering, if you did the buildout at home then you didn't really "purchase it" that way, but can I still just go to the MSP and fill out the form 77r W/O a FFD?
Then that way I will be good to go and if a 77r is filed then they already know about it anyway

bpSchoch · Apr 3, 2013

clandestine said:
Unless there is more legal clarification from the Attorney General or MSP then any firearm your DID NOT do a MSP 77r on, that will be considered "Banned" will have to be registered before October 1st 2013.

Current MSP 77r has a voluntary registrant option on it. Without registering the weapon the burden of proof may be on the owner to prove when the weapon was acquired. This is a HUGE grey area and one I would NOT want to find myself in. I don't know if there's the same $10 fee for the 77r but one 77r with extension forms will allow all questionable firearms to be registered in one shot. I already have my forms filled out and ready to be turned in when this law takes place.

For home built guns it would probably be smart to have a Make, Model, and series. # engraved on the firearm and have it registered before October 1 2013, otherwise you can't prove when it was made and making certain rifles is prohibited after 10/1/2013.

In law, the burden of proof is always on the one making the claim, inspire of what you may hear.

Also the 5th amendment protects you from having to provide documents/information that might incriminate you.

Lunatic Fringe · Apr 3, 2013

Take pictures and get them notarized. File them away and be done with it.

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