HB1261 - Weapon Crimes - Assault Long Guns and Copycat Weapons

Adolph Oliver Bush · Feb 8, 2020

6-Pack said:
When my wife and I were dating, I told her if she ever made me choose between her or the guns, I’m taking the guns. I figured if she stuck around then I was all set.

Great idea. Too bad for me I was married 22 years before I got interested in 2A issues. FSA2013 did it for me. Knew it wouldn't pass cuz it would have no effect on safety. When it did, I started doing my own research. Eye opening to say the least. I might have subsequently bought my first gun, and started to routinely volunteer for Maryland's premier gun rights advocacy group.

teratos · Feb 8, 2020

I am absolutely going to register everything I have that is already registered.

I figure when confiscation comes I’ll hand in stripped lowers and make lamps out of the uppers. What else could I do with them?

erwos · Feb 8, 2020

Just got on after the Sabbath to check out the text, and wow, that is excessive. Even Frosh didn't think that was going to fly in court. This thing is like an MDA wishlist, complete with literally punitive fines for failure to register. Surprised they didn't bump the penalty up to two years for that just to make you a prohibited person out of spite.

Combloc · Feb 8, 2020

Adolph Oliver Bush said:
LOeffingL!

Anyone thinking about registering should Google "gun registration leads to confiscation."

I summarize for those not so inclined: it does.

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/09/gu...fiscation-updated-2019-edition/#axzz6DPXmQf8t

teratos · Feb 8, 2020

erwos said:
Just got on after the Sabbath to check out the text, and wow, that is excessive. Even Frosh didn't think that was going to fly in court. This thing is like an MDA wishlist, complete with literally punitive fines for failure to register. Surprised they didn't bump the penalty up to two years for that just to make you a prohibited person out of spite.

The court cases will be interesting, to say the least.

Norton · Feb 8, 2020

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Ayn Rand

Combloc · Feb 8, 2020

erwos · Feb 8, 2020

teratos said:
The court cases will be interesting, to say the least.

If SCOTUS doesn't rule an AWB to be unconstitutional in the next few years, the entire USA is screwed in the long-term in terms of gun rights. The next time the Dems control the house/senate/white house, they can pass some Cali-style AWB that screws everyone. I just don't want to be the state that has to suffer while they figure that out - if they ever do.

PharaohF4 · Feb 8, 2020

erwos said:
If SCOTUS doesn't rule an AWB to be unconstitutional in the next few years, the entire USA is screwed

you could have stopped there

Kicken Wing · Feb 8, 2020

erwos said:
If SCOTUS doesn't rule an AWB to be unconstitutional in the next few years, the entire USA is screwed in the long-term in terms of gun rights. The next time the Dems control the house/senate/white house, they can pass some Cali-style AWB that screws everyone. I just don't want to be the state that has to suffer while they figure that out - if they ever do.

Spot on. I have been saying the same thing. All it is going to take is democratic control of both houses and the presidency for another federal assault weapons ban to take place. Plus anything else they want to pass. I would not put it past them to throw confiscation in there.

fidelity · Feb 8, 2020

Antigunners have been paying attention to New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern's failure in confiscating guns from the public without having everything registered.

1841DNG · Feb 8, 2020

Kicken Wing said:
Spot on. I have been saying the same thing. All it is going to take is democratic control of both houses and the presidency for another federal assault weapons ban to take place. Plus anything else they want to pass. I would not put it past them to throw confiscation in there.

Well time to split into 3 nations if that happens. Peacefully of course.

Kharn · Feb 8, 2020

teratos said:
The court cases will be interesting, to say the least.

Oh, indeed.

"There is no meaningful or persuasive constitutional distinction between semi-automatic handguns and semi-automatic rifles. Semi-automatic rifles, like semi-automatic handguns, have not traditionally been banned and are in common use by law-abiding citizens for self-defense in the home, hunting, and other lawful uses. Moreover, semi-automatic handguns are used in connection with violent crimes far more than semi-automatic rifles are. It followsfrom Heller’s protection of semi-automatic handguns that semi-automatic rifles are also constitutionally protected and that D.C.’s ban on them is unconstitutional." Kavanaugh's dissent in Heller II at the DC Circuit.

bibitor · Feb 8, 2020

Norton said:
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Ayn Rand

“Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”

-Lavrentiy Beria

Mark75H · Feb 8, 2020

NZ and Connecicut compliance

teratos · Feb 8, 2020

Mark75H said:
NZ and Connecicut compliance

I would expect so.

randomuser · Feb 8, 2020

teratos said:
The court cases will be interesting, to say the least.

No doubt. I can't wait to see the results.of the cases once they are all finished up 20 years from now.

Norton said:
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Ayn Rand

Politicians are like a toothless dog barking at you. Not really much they can do. The law enforcement officers are their teeth. At least they are on our side.

Mark75H · Feb 8, 2020

randomuser said:
No doubt. I can't wait to see the results.of the cases once they are all finished up 20 years from now.

Not me. With my family history of Alzheimer's, I won't even remember my own name in 20 years.

Name Taken · Feb 8, 2020

Perhaps they will be their creator of their own un-doing. You can only pass so many "over the top" laws before the courts start to push back. I get it isn't an idea situation but it is the likely outcome.

And another reason to get out and VOTE. I'd much rather have Trump put another one on SCOTUS as opposed to Bernie giving it a go.

teratos · Feb 8, 2020

Name Taken said:
Perhaps they will be their creator of their own un-doing. You can only pass so many "over the top" laws before the courts start to push back. I get it isn't an idea situation but it is the likely outcome.

And another reason to get out and VOTE. I'd much rather have Trump put another one on SCOTUS as opposed to Bernie giving it a go.

This.

Trump made the 9th Circuit conservative, and continues to appoint judges.

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