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Old January 31st, 2019, 12:20 AM #41
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Heller does not specifically address the issue outside the home. It talks about self defense and that it is at it maximum inside the home. While most courts seem to concede that there is some right outside the home, the extent of the right appears to be very limited. All most all restrictions are upheld. This case is yet another example.
So what if your homeless? Do you not have a right to keep a firearm for self-defense?

If you don't have a "home", then you would have to be able to carry it with you in public, either concealed or openly, in order to exercise the right.

Or does a homeless person get to say, well the streets/outdoors is my home, home defined as a place of living/dwelling, hence they are allowed to carry a firearm in public?
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Old January 31st, 2019, 12:31 AM #42
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What happens if we are down a Justice when this case is heard?
Life, and cases go on.

The hopeful end result is 5-3 for us, or better.
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What happens if we are down a Justice when this case is heard?
A majority vote of the justices is a win

A tie, nothing. The lower court ruling stands, until the court picks up the issue in a later case.
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Old January 31st, 2019, 08:59 AM #44
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The Hearing Protection Act was done in by Las Vegas. We'll see what event influences this decision.
No, the HPA was never going anywhere to begin with. It was a nice piece of lip service to 2A to get some votes, but it was never going to pass. It was in fact rolled in to the SHARE act, and that got tied up and died without ever coming to a vote.

Vegas had nothing to do with the HPA failing, and I'd go so far as to say that suggesting that Vegas was planned in order to kill it is fairly despicable.
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No, the HPA was never going anywhere to begin with. It was a nice piece of lip service to 2A to get some votes, but it was never going to pass. It was in fact rolled in to the SHARE act, and that got tied up and died without ever coming to a vote.

Vegas had nothing to do with the HPA failing, and I'd go so far as to say that suggesting that Vegas was planned in order to kill it is fairly despicable.
I would also point out that our government has a rich history of doing some fairly despicable things...
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No, the HPA was never going anywhere to begin with. It was a nice piece of lip service to 2A to get some votes, but it was never going to pass. It was in fact rolled in to the SHARE act, and that got tied up and died without ever coming to a vote.

Vegas had nothing to do with the HPA failing, and I'd go so far as to say that suggesting that Vegas was planned in order to kill it is fairly despicable.
Then you've gone too far. I fail to see your logic in coming to your inference about my statement. If you like, I can demonstrate similar faulty logic in making some inferences of my own about your reply.

I did not say or suggest that Vegas was caused by the HPA, only that the lack of progress of the HPA was a result of Vegas. As to whether the HPA would have passed or not in the absence of Vegas is quite academic at this point.
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Then you've gone too far. I fail to see your logic in coming to your inference about my statement. If you like, I can demonstrate similar faulty logic in making some inferences of my own about your reply.

I did not say or suggest that Vegas was caused by the HPA, only that the lack of progress of the HPA was a result of Vegas. As to whether the HPA would have passed or not in the absence of Vegas is quite academic at this point.
So you're saying that this part of your post:

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Is not meant to infer that you think that there is someone or someones out there who will purposefully plan a mass murder just to submarine this particular bill? Because that's how it read to me.
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Is not meant to infer that you think that there is someone or someones out there who will purposefully plan a mass murder just to submarine this particular bill? Because that's how it read to me.
It has been a timing coincidence in Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, and other incidents related to the something Pro-2A being advanced.

One time is just paranoid thinking
Two times is just a coincidence
Three or more times is a pattern of behavior.
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So you're saying that this part of your post:



Is not meant to infer that you think that there is someone or someones out there who will purposefully plan a mass murder just to submarine this particular bill? Because that's how it read to me.
Just like someone would never purposefully supply arms (later used to kill border agents) to cartel members for political power and to highlight anti 2A sentiment?

Just like someone would never approve the sale of 20% of our Uranium to the Russians?
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also worth noting, a majority vote in this case will still mean nothing for us here in Maryland.

I don't know why everyone is so worked up over this case.
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