How many fingerprint cards for NFA trust?

CMOS · Nov 29, 2016

Trying to figure out how many fingerprint cards to submit with a Form 1 using a trust. So the Form 1 requires submission of fingerprints in duplicate, and so does the Responsible Person form.

Reading it literally, this four fingerprint cards now for a trust (with one responsible party)? Is that right?

Oh, and four photos as well, in total.

GolfR · Nov 29, 2016

CMOS said:
Trying to figure out how many fingerprint cards to submit with a Form 1 using a trust. So the Form 1 requires submission of fingerprints in duplicate, and so does the Responsible Person form.

Reading it literally, this four fingerprint cards now for a trust (with one responsible party)? Is that right?

Oh, and four photos as well, in total.

Two finger print cards and two pictures with the submission to the ATF. You will also need two pictures to submit with the CLEO paperwork. You do not need to send fingerprint cards to CLEO.

IMBLITZVT · Nov 29, 2016

GolfR said:
Two finger print cards and two pictures with the submission to the ATF. You will also need two pictures to submit with the CLEO paperwork. You do not need to send fingerprint cards to CLEO.

I hear you don't need any pictures with CLEO paperwork and you surely don't need two sets of paperwork/pictures for the CLEO anyway. Remember the CLEO is just notification. The FFL/SOTs I have talked to say no picture needed.

Hawkeye · Nov 29, 2016

GolfR said:
You will also need two pictures to submit with the CLEO paperwork.

I could be totally, totally wrong here, but I don't believe that you need to submit a photo with the copy of the 5320.23 that goes to your CLEO.

From the instructions on the 5320.23:

3. Item 3 - Responsible Person Information
a) provide the information for the responsible person in items 3a through 3e.
b) Item 3e - photograph: The responsible person shall attach, in item 3e on the ATF copy of the form only, a 2-inch by 2-inch frontal view photograph taken within one year prior to the date of the filing of the form. Item 3e is obscured on the CLEO copy.

Here's a link to the ATF's pdf of the 5320.23, and you'll see that on the CLEO copy box 3e is blacked out.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/f...ponsible-person-questionnaire-532023/download

You don't need to send a photo to the CLEO.

Sundazes · Nov 29, 2016

GolfR said:
Two finger print cards and two pictures with the submission to the ATF. You will also need two pictures to submit with the CLEO paperwork. You do not need to send fingerprint cards to CLEO.

Never mind. Hawkeye beat me to it while I was looking it up....

CMOS · Nov 29, 2016

Thanks for the replies here. First time doing the new forms. I see now that on the Form 1, the trustee doesn't submit photos or prints. So it's only on the Responsible Party paper that prints/photos are required. And confirming that CLEO doesn't get prints or photos.
So it's two prints and two photos for the Form 1 as a trust.
Almost forgot to put everything double-sided...

GolfR · Dec 11, 2016

Thanks for correcting me...I guess my CLEO will get to see my ugly mug for no reason!

It was recommended to me my multiple folks to write your name on the back of the photons and very securely tape the photos down to the page. If the photos get separated from your form it will apparently sit for a while before anyone addresses the issue.

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