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  • smokey

    2A TEACHER
    Jan 31, 2008
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    "Do you have guns in your home?"

    "Nope"

    ...annnnnd move on with life. I have yet to have a dr ask this, but just saying "no" seems pretty easy.
     

    teratos

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    Jan 22, 2009
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    "Do you have guns in your home?"

    "Nope"

    ...annnnnd move on with life. I have yet to have a dr ask this, but just saying "no" seems pretty easy.

    Yep. Some people just can’t resist the desire to open debate with someone who really doesn’t care to debate the topic.
     

    Occam

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    Feb 24, 2018
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    My 84 year old mom is a child of the midwest, grew up with pheasants being dismantled at the kitchen sink, eating all sorts of roaming hoofstock, and could remember - during a stint living on the New Jersey coastline during the 1940's - family discussions about what to do if the Nazis were to land on the nearby shore (start with the 30-.06, and go from there).

    Her doctor recently asked her if there were guns in the house (she lives along side my arsenal, now).

    "Oh, yes," she said.

    "How many?" asked the doctor.

    "Oh goodness, I don't know. A lot," she said.

    He asked, "Well, are they locked up?"

    "Sure, some. But they don't really wander around much anyway."

    She's normally a push-over Pollyanna when it comes to authority figures, but on this topic I do believe she defaults to channeling her late dad and husband. Her friends in lower MoCo were horrified, once, to discover she didn't care about having guns in the house. Like she was happily living with poisonous snakes or even Republicans.
     

    teratos

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    Jan 22, 2009
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    My 84 year old mom is a child of the midwest, grew up with pheasants being dismantled at the kitchen sink, eating all sorts of roaming hoofstock, and could remember - during a stint living on the New Jersey coastline during the 1940's - family discussions about what to do if the Nazis were to land on the nearby shore (start with the 30-.06, and go from there).

    Her doctor recently asked her if there were guns in the house (she lives along side my arsenal, now).

    "Oh, yes," she said.

    "How many?" asked the doctor.

    "Oh goodness, I don't know. A lot," she said.

    He asked, "Well, are they locked up?"

    "Sure, some. But they don't really wander around much anyway."

    She's normally a push-over Pollyanna when it comes to authority figures, but on this topic I do believe she defaults to channeling her late dad and husband. Her friends in lower MoCo were horrified, once, to discover she didn't care about having guns in the house. Like she was happily living with poisonous snakes or even Republicans.

    :thumbsup: Good on your mom.
     

    Jim12

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    Jan 30, 2013
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    Contrary to their protestations, raising gun safety in a medical exam IS political; Look at who has pushed for it, and the timing; here, it's even inspired by the political discussion being spawned by the Crapital shooting. What could be more obvious?

    Moreover, "... Dr. Maulik S. Joshi, Anne Arundel Medical Center’s chief operating officer, said doctors don’t all share the same views on gun ownership. He doesn’t expect them to tell patients whether to own a gun, just to give them safety tips if they do...."

    Oh, really? Are doctors trained by medical schools in gun safety? Of course not. How are they qualified to give gun "safety tips"?

    And incidentally, doctor visits are for health matters. Do patient visits at Anne Arundel Med Center currently have enough idle doctor/patient time so that "gun safety" can be discussed, without foregoing discussions of health matters directly related to patient health?

    Why not use that time to discuss diet, exercise, coronary artery disease, and any of the following causes of death and how to reduce chances of dying from them, all of which exceed the total number of deaths by gunshot:

    Leading Causes of Death (source: CDC website)

    Data are for the U.S.
    Number of deaths for leading causes of death

    Heart disease: 633,842
    • Cancer: 595,930
    • Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 155,041
    • Accidents (unintentional injuries): 146,571
    • Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 140,323
    • Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561
    • Diabetes: 79,535
    • Influenza and pneumonia: 57,062
    • Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 49,959
    • Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,193


    Shouldn't doctors also give political advice? Do they advise their patients how far to go when protesting, so they aren't arrested?

    If doctors insist on becoming advisors and consultants as to gun safety, eventually it will become medical malpractice when a doctor gives insufficient or bad gun safety advice to a patient and someone gets hurt. Once they start assuming the responsibility, courts and plaintiff's lawyers will see to it that their advice had better be good and based on all the relevant facts. Eventually, medical checkups might become like concealed carry review board interviews. Oh, and med mal insurance premiums will reflect the additional risk of becoming firearms safety consultants, too.

    We should all send a message to the medical profession: Stick to your knitting.
     

    teratos

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    Jan 22, 2009
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    Oh, and med mal insurance premiums will reflect the additional risk of becoming firearms safety consultants, too.

    I've seen this particular line several times. Not a viable argument. If your doctor recommends that you keep your firearms locked, ammunition separate, out of reach of children etc. there is no liability if you don't do that. It's in you. ;)
     

    BradMacc82

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    Aug 17, 2011
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    People just need to stay in their own lane.

    "When putting your nose into other peoples business, you run the risk of having it broken."
     

    Occam

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    Feb 24, 2018
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    I've seen this particular line several times. Not a viable argument. If your doctor recommends that you keep your firearms locked, ammunition separate, out of reach of children etc. there is no liability if you don't do that. It's in you. ;)

    Though I wouldn't put it past some ambulance chaser to sue a doctor for not having told a patient (or their family) that someone shouldn't be allowed to posses a gun. If a doctor thinks someone shouldn't be driving, and doesn't say so, is there liability? Not implying there should be, but can imagine it making hay in court if something unpleasant transpires.
     

    teratos

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    Though I wouldn't put it past some ambulance chaser to sue a doctor for not having told a patient (or their family) that someone shouldn't be allowed to posses a gun. If a doctor thinks someone shouldn't be driving, and doesn't say so, is there liability? Not implying there should be, but can imagine it making hay in court if something unpleasant transpires.

    If I recommend a patient not drive and they do, the liability is on them. Interestingly, Maryland DOES NOT require reporting of those patients.

    http://www.mva.maryland.gov/safety/older/physician-responsibility-to-refer.htm
     

    Occam

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    If I recommend a patient not drive and they do, the liability is on them. Interestingly, Maryland DOES NOT require reporting of those patients.

    But what if someone tries to make the case that you SHOULD have recommended against driving/golfing/sushi-making-with-knives and didn't? Are you obliged to understand every possible risky activity and recommend against all of them, or can you insulate yourself just by saying, "You're not up to many risky activities any more, so don't do risky things."
     

    teratos

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    But what if someone tries to make the case that you SHOULD have recommended against driving/golfing/sushi-making-with-knives and didn't? Are you obliged to understand every possible risky activity and recommend against all of them, or can you insulate yourself just by saying, "You're not up to many risky activities any more, so don't do risky things."

    I really don’t feel like I am. I have never had any formal training in risky behaviors. I focus on what I’m trained to do. Most of that is related to the body and modifying risk factors for heart disease, cancer, diabetes etc. if I feel someone is a danger to themselves or others I call the fuzz and get an emergency petition. It’s not my job to babysit people. I give advice. That’s really my job, no matter how much the AMA wants me to be a human shepherd. I’m not doing it.

    How far can this go, really? What if you get hit crossing the street? Should your doctor council you to look both ways? What about things like lawnmowers, chainsaws, nail guns?
     

    Occam

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    How far can this go, really? What if you get hit crossing the street? Should your doctor council you to look both ways? What about things like lawnmowers, chainsaws, nail guns?

    Well, that's kinda my point. I see the hand-wringing about guns in the house to be a weird thing to single out, considering the question "is there a car in your driveway" or "are there cupcakes in the house" to be far more connected to mortality for most people.
     

    smokey

    2A TEACHER
    Jan 31, 2008
    31,412
    Well, that's kinda my point. I see the hand-wringing about guns in the house to be a weird thing to single out, considering the question "is there a car in your driveway" or "are there cupcakes in the house" to be far more connected to mortality for most people.

    Yeah. If their message is about preventing accidental firearm death... it's very strange to spend all this effort on something that's statistically extremely rare. If it's about violence intervention, narrowing the scope only to firearm violence seems absurd. The medical focus should clearly be on mental healthcare and signs of potential violence they should be aware of by any means...including self-harm. Just pushing this in the first place is a pretty obvious dig at the 2a.
     

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    Huckleberry

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    Oct 19, 2007
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    Unless: Teratos, Shootin The Breeze, DblDoc, Docster, et al are your doctor:innocent0

    Those gentlemen are all exceptions to the rule but unfortunately many of their fellow practioners are not.

    My PCP and Flight Surgeon is in their unique category, many of the specialists he has sent me to are unfortunately not and I have had to tell them to tend to my medical issues and to not mind my life or personal business.
     

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