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Old October 23rd, 2014, 12:13 AM #1
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SAF Sues Illinois over LTC Residency Requirements

SNIP "The Second Amendment Foundation today filed a lawsuit in federal district court in Illinois, challenging that state’s concealed carry statute that restricts otherwise qualified non-residents the rights and privileges of carrying concealed firearms based solely on their state of residence." SNIP

http://www.saf.org/?p=4451

This could be big. It suggests there could be more than one way towards national reciprocity.
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 12:17 AM #2
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Is it just me, or is SAF quickly becoming what NRA claims to be?

Way to go.
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 01:41 AM #3
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Is it just me, or is SAF quickly becoming what NRA claims to be?

Way to go.
It is to some extent, but the NRA serves as a lightning rod for anti-gun groups. While those groups focus all their energy, attention, and negative press on the NRA, a group like the SAF can concentrate on advancing the cause of regaining our Constitutional rights.

In other words, each is serving a purpose toward the end goal.
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SNIP "The Second Amendment Foundation today filed a lawsuit in federal district court in Illinois, challenging that state’s concealed carry statute that restricts otherwise qualified non-residents the rights and privileges of carrying concealed firearms based solely on their state of residence." SNIP

http://www.saf.org/?p=4451

This could be big. It suggests there could be more than one way towards national reciprocity.
It's definitely about time. Should be a slam dunk, and even if we lose at the District Court, we then have the 7th Circuit, who usually gets things right.
As far as reciprocity I don't think so. It will be persuasive authority for cases against other states like CA and NY that don't typically issue to non-residents and have zero reciprocity.
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SAF Sues Illinois Over Restrictive CCW Residency Requirements

BELLEVUE, WA – The Second Amendment Foundation today filed a lawsuit in federal district court in Illinois, challenging that state’s concealed carry statute that restricts otherwise qualified non-residents the rights and privileges of carrying concealed firearms based solely on their state of residence.
Joining SAF in this legal action are the Illinois State Rifle Association, Illinois Carry, Inc., and ten individual plaintiffs, all residing in other states and who are licensed to carry in those states. Under the restrictive Illinois statute, only residents from states with “substantially similar” requirements to obtain a carry license are allowed to apply for non-resident licenses.
Only four states currently qualify under that provision. They are Hawaii, New Mexico, South Carolina and Virginia. None of the individual plaintiffs reside in those states.
According to SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb, this situation is not simply unfair, it is untenable and we believe unconstitutional.
“Our plaintiffs have qualified for carry permits or licenses in their own states,” Gottlieb said, “which means they have gone through background checks and other requirements that show they are responsible, law-abiding citizens. Yet, because of the current Illinois statute, their self-defense rights are suspended immediately after they cross the Illinois state line.”
Named as defendants in the lawsuit are Attorney General Lisa Madigan, Illinois State Police Director Hiram Grau and Jessica Trame, bureau chief of the State Police Firearms Service Bureau. Plaintiffs are represented by attorney David Sigale of Glen Ellyn, Ill.
“This lawsuit,” said Sigale, “is brought because it is unfair that otherwise qualified people from states outside Illinois, who work and travel in Illinois are barred from obtaining means to defend themselves in public solely based on their state of residence. We expect to correct that.”
“We’re asking the federal court for a declaratory judgment on equal protection and due process constitutional grounds,” Gottlieb stated. “It makes no sense at all for Illinois to enforce such a narrowly-defined law that seems to recognize the rights of some non-residents, while dismissing the rights of most other non-residents. We can’t allow that kind of discriminatory situation to stand.”


The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation’s oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.


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Reminds me that it is almost time for me to make another donation to SAF.
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It is to some extent, but the NRA serves as a lightning rod for anti-gun groups. While those groups focus all their energy, attention, and negative press on the NRA, a group like the SAF can concentrate on advancing the cause of regaining our Constitutional rights.

In other words, each is serving a purpose toward the end goal.
All I ever see from NRA is "PANIC!!" and "GIVE US YOUR MONEY". They certainly do a lot more than that, but that's what I get in my mailbox from them.
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It is to some extent, but the NRA serves as a lightning rod for anti-gun groups. While those groups focus all their energy, attention, and negative press on the NRA, a group like the SAF can concentrate on advancing the cause of regaining our Constitutional rights.



In other words, each is serving a purpose toward the end goal.

True, but:

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All I ever see from NRA is "PANIC!!" and "GIVE US YOUR MONEY". They certainly do a lot more than that, but that's what I get in my mailbox from them.

Unless you're paying VERY close attention, most gun owners are left with the feeling that the NRA ILA is the only game in town, when much of the funds they receive could be put to better use by SAF.

Just my opinion. I like NRA for what they do with training, and they do provide a focal point. But as far as getting things done, they're pretty inept.
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It is to some extent, but the NRA serves as a lightning rod for anti-gun groups. While those groups focus all their energy, attention, and negative press on the NRA, a group like the SAF can concentrate on advancing the cause of regaining our Constitutional rights.

In other words, each is serving a purpose toward the end goal.
NRA seems to handle legislation, and PR while SAF tends to handle the litigation end of things. Not to say either group exclusively works those areas, but those are their specialties.
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NRA does what they do, SAF does what they do, with a moderate overlap. Breadth in the Gun Right movement is a good thing , as long as we all keep our eyes on the goal instead of infighting.
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