Hbar stock

BW460 · Oct 5, 2014

Sorry if this has been covered but I can't get the search function to work on my tablet. Does a Hbar have to have a fixed stock or is it OK to have a heavy barrel with a collapsable stock? I know at least one FFL who told me it had to be fixed but I can't find that written anywhere.

If there is already a thread on this please just point me to it. Thanks.

INMY01TA · Oct 5, 2014

Collapsable is fine.

GHETTO BLASTER · Oct 5, 2014

An HBAR can have any stock. The barrel doesn't effect the stock in any way though if its a target rifle you may want a solid stock over collapsible just for accuracy sake. I'm looking to change out the MOE stock on my lr 308 for that reason plus my beard gets stuck in the damn thing and it hurts like hell.

BW460 · Oct 5, 2014

So now I have a followup question. I understand that I can get a stripped lower but can I get a complete lower assembly? I have a Hbar upper that I want to put on it. Thanks.

annihilation-time · Oct 5, 2014

I wouldn't do business with the FFL that incorrectly told you HBARs must have fixed stocks.

annihilation-time · Oct 5, 2014

BW460 said:
So now I have a followup question. I understand that I can get a stripped lower but can I get a complete lower assembly? I have a Hbar upper that I want to put on it. Thanks.

Yes. Many shops sell complete lowers.

Vile Shadow · Oct 5, 2014

annihilation-time said:
I wouldn't do business with the FFL that incorrectly told you HBARs must have fixed stocks.

I'm thinking the gentleman in question must be under the mistaken impression that the only legal AR's anymore are those like the Colt 6601.

annihilation-time · Oct 5, 2014

Sling Blade said:
I'm thinking the gentleman in question must be under the mistaken impression that the only legal AR's anymore are those like the Colt 6601.

That's probably the case, but I wouldn't give my business to someone that doesn't understand the law and how MSP decides to enforce it.

BW460 · Oct 5, 2014

It was one of the major retailers in the area. They said since the original Colt Hbar that was excepted in the regulated list had a fixed stock then they were interpreting it to mean you can't sell an Hbar without a fixed stock. Its all so confusing ( by design).

annihilation-time · Oct 5, 2014

BW460 said:
It was one of the major retailers in the area. They said since the original Colt Hbar that was excepted in the regulated list had a fixed stock then they were interpreting it to mean you can't sell an Hbar without a fixed stock. Its all so confusing ( by design).

Bass pro? Walmart? Dicks?

Vile Shadow · Oct 5, 2014

annihilation-time said:
That's probably the case, but I wouldn't give my business to someone that doesn't understand the law and how MSP decides to enforce it.

I wouldn't give my business to such an idiot either, especially since I've bought multiple collapsible stock AR's cash-and-carry.

BW460 · Oct 5, 2014

I'm not going to name names but it was a guy who runs a major gun store, not some flunky that he hired. I may need to buy other things from them at a future date.

Pinecone · Oct 6, 2014

You need to let us know. PM me if nothing else.

So WE can avoid the shop.

Any dealer who is spouting this BS needs to go on the bad dealer list. All it would take would be for him to make a phone call or email MSP for the correct answer.

Naptown52 · Oct 7, 2014

Just to make sure I understand what were saying since the new laws are purposely confusing and misleading... I just bought a stripped lower and will soon be building an HBAR. I am legally allowed to put an adjustable stock on it as opposed to a fixed stock?

rbird7282 · Oct 7, 2014

Naptown52 said:
Just to make sure I understand what were saying since the new laws are purposely confusing and misleading... I just bought a stripped lower and will soon be building an HBAR. I am legally allowed to put an adjustable stock on it as opposed to a fixed stock?

Yes

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Pinecone · Oct 9, 2014

http://www.colt.com/Catalog/LawEnforcement/Products/ColtTacticalCarbine.aspx

Legally sold cash and carry in MD.

Naptown52 · Oct 9, 2014

I got this from MDSP.org:

After October 1, 2013, an AR-15 HBar/Heavy Barrel will still not be regulated, however, could an
AR-15 HBar/Heavy Barrel or any semi-automatic center fire be considered a copycat weapon?
The Colt AR-15 H-BAR is excluded from the definition of "assault long gun." However, a Colt
AR-15 H-BAR or any semi-automatic center fire rifle that meets the definition set forth in CR 4-
301(e) ("(i) A semi-automatic center fire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine and has any
two of the following: 1. a folding stock; 2. a grenade launcher; or 3. a flash suppressor; (ii) A
semi-automatic center fire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than
ten rounds; (iii) A semi-automatic center fire rifle that has an overall length of less than 29
inches.") would be a "copycat weapon."

This is where my confusion comes from. Taking the above into consideration, if I build an HBAR and want an adjustable stock, can I NOT have a flash supressor? Or is it because the final product is going to have an overall length of more than 29" that my HBAR will be excluded from this rule?

vgplayer · Oct 9, 2014

Naptown52 said:
I got this from MDSP.org:

After October 1, 2013, an AR-15 HBar/Heavy Barrel will still not be regulated, however, could an
AR-15 HBar/Heavy Barrel or any semi-automatic center fire be considered a copycat weapon?
The Colt AR-15 H-BAR is excluded from the definition of "assault long gun." However, a Colt
AR-15 H-BAR or any semi-automatic center fire rifle that meets the definition set forth in CR 4-
301(e) ("(i) A semi-automatic center fire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine and has any
two of the following: 1. a folding stock; 2. a grenade launcher; or 3. a flash suppressor; (ii) A
semi-automatic center fire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than
ten rounds; (iii) A semi-automatic center fire rifle that has an overall length of less than 29
inches.") would be a "copycat weapon."

This is where my confusion comes from. Taking the above into consideration, if I build an HBAR and want an adjustable stock, can I NOT have a flash supressor? Or is it because the final product is going to have an overall length of more than 29" that my HBAR will be excluded from this rule?

Folding NOT EQUAL to collapsible.

Naptown52 · Oct 9, 2014

vgplayer said:
Folding NOT EQUAL to collapsible.

10-4. I was told that at some point recently, the language of the bill was changed from "Folding" to "Adjustable" which would include collapsible/telescoping.

Pinecone · Oct 9, 2014

No, the law has not been changed recently.

The original wording of the bill included telescoping stocks, but that was removed before it was passed.

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