HPRB Under Attack: Hearings 3/12

PowPow · Mar 26, 2019

PowPow said:
The Senate did change up its agenda at the last minute and brought up SB1000 for third reader and vote last night. Sen Ready gave a great speech to encourage them not to pass. One other senator raised the obvious issue with getting rid of the only citizen check to the power of the state. Despite this, it passed 30-16 (with a gallery of WE WILL NOT COMPLY shirts watching) and is now on its way to the House.

Senator Salling (LD 6)

BeoBill · Mar 26, 2019

Both senators were truly moved by the gravity of the proposed bill, and gave impassioned speeches. You could feel their sincerity, as opposed to the rebuttal. That sounded more like displeasure at being contradicted.

One CRITICAL question:

Did anyone who attended the last HPRB meeting observe the Board award a C&W to a Prohibited Person, as intimated in the rebuttal?

F5guy · Mar 26, 2019

Where can I see a list of yea/ nays ?

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MJD438 · Mar 26, 2019

F5guy said:
Where can I see a list of yea/ nays ?

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It will show up here - http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&stab=02&id=sb1000&tab=subject3&ys=2019RS - once it has been processed (sometime within the 24-48 hours after the vote was taken).

PowPow · Mar 26, 2019

The most interesting thing last night was Sen Miller explaining his idea of a serious amendment. His idea of serious amendment is one that he will agree with. He told the senators that if they don't have a serious amendment by this measure to not waste the Senate's time, since that's a way to kill bills. This was in relation to a bill that would impact hardworking people of Maryland in the fishing industry. The senator did offer her serious amendment as serious anyway, which it was!

As such, Sen Miller explained the process to kill a bill in the MD Senate. All who heard his explanation should take note and proceed in earnest should HB0740/HB0786 (or any others) come out of committee to the Senate floor.

ShafTed · Mar 26, 2019

F5guy said:
Do we know who any of the OAH judges are who were ‘trained’ to hear these cases? I wonder if it will even be worth a try.

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The HMFIC is a holdover from Zero'Malley, appointed to a 6 year term expiring next year.

http://www.oah.state.md.us/ChiefJudge.aspx

He is the one who hires lawyers off the street to be the office-level ALJs. Looking at this crowd,

http://www.oah.state.md.us/Aljbios.aspx

no amount of training is ever going to produce a verdict favorable to an honest citizen. Which is why they so desperately want to take the HPRB out of the way of further infringements.

BeoBill said:
Both senators were truly moved by the gravity of the proposed bill, and gave impassioned speeches. You could feel their sincerity, as opposed to the rebuttal. That sounded more like displeasure at being contradicted.

One CRITICAL question:

Did anyone who attended the last HPRB meeting observe the Board award a C&W to a Prohibited Person, as intimated in the rebuttal?

This absolutely, 100% DID NOT HAPPEN! For every prohibited person who came before the board MSP was upheld. One of the board members is a lawyer, another is a Montgomery County police officer, I've been told that the DPSCS administrator who attends most (if not all) of the hearings is also a lawyer, and the AAG assigned to DPSCS is also usually there. With the amount of expertise in the room most of the time, someone would have caught it if the board tried to consider finding in favor of a prohibited person.

I think what is being spun up here is one particular case I witnessed, as reported by one of the Marylanders to Prevent Guns stenographers in the joint Senate hearing on the bill. Similar to the old game of Telephone, she either didn't understand what was happening at the board meeting, or just outright lied about it. Neither possibility would surprise me. In the hearing in question, the applicant had one conviction from the early 2000's, and an otherwise clean record. The board upheld the denial, as they had to. At that point, I think it was the MSP who mentioned that he could get the conviction expunged since it was more than a decade old. There was further conversation among the applicant, the MSP and the board during which the applicant asked how to go about getting an expungement and was given information by both a board member and the MSP. Bottom line: talk to your lawyer who handled the original case, he can do it for you. The MSP even said that if he re-applied after getting the expungement he would be approved for a business owner permit.

BeoBill · Mar 26, 2019

BeoBill said:
Did anyone who attended the last HPRB meeting observe the Board award a C&W to a Prohibited Person, as intimated in the rebuttal?

ShafTed said:
...This absolutely, 100% DID NOT HAPPEN! For every prohibited person who came before the board MSP was upheld. One of the board members is a lawyer, another is a Montgomery County police officer, I've been told that the DPSCS administrator who attends most (if not all) of the hearings is also a lawyer, and the AAG assigned to DPSCS is also usually there. With the amount of expertise in the room most of the time, someone would have caught it if the board tried to consider finding in favor of a prohibited person.

...I think what is being spun up here is one particular case I witnessed, as reported by one of the Marylanders to Prevent Guns stenographers in the joint Senate hearing on the bill. Similar to the old game of Telephone, she either didn't understand what was happening at the board meeting, or just outright lied about it. Neither possibility would surprise me. In the hearing in question, the applicant had one conviction from the early 2000's, and an otherwise clean record. The board upheld the denial, as they had to. At that point, I think it was the MSP who mentioned that he could get the conviction expunged since it was more than a decade old. There was further conversation among the applicant, the MSP and the board during which the applicant asked how to go about getting an expungement and was given information by both a board member and the MSP. Bottom line: talk to your lawyer who handled the original case, he can do it for you. The MSP even said that if he re-applied after getting the expungement he would be approved for a business owner permit.

There's one WITNESS' testimony. Anyone else?

This may be another, bigger nail in the coffin of this FSA2013 Phase II railroad job. Speaker Miller definitely misrepresented the "Emergency" nature of this bill.

Stoveman · Mar 26, 2019

BeoBill said:
There's one WITNESS' testimony. Anyone else?

This may be another, bigger nail in the coffin of this FSA2013 Phase II railroad job. Speaker Miller definitely misrepresented the "Emergency" nature of this bill.

I live streamed most of the meeting. Zero prohibited persons receiving favorable decisions to overturn the Secretary. None of the applicants were a prohibited person.

Bob A · Mar 26, 2019

Half our legislation is based on outright falsehoods.

So long as the majority of the voters approve of the spirit behind the lies, no change will occur.

So long as our legislators are comfortable pandering to the misinformed, idiots will rule.

So long as the money keeps flowing, it will be business as usual. When the cash flow dries up, that's when we'll have real problems.

danb · Mar 26, 2019

Our legislators are not pandering to the misinformed. They're pandering to the lobbyists like Bloomberg that control a lot of the money

Bob A · Mar 26, 2019

danb said:
Our legislators are not pandering to the misinformed. They're pandering to the lobbyists like Bloomberg that control a lot of the money

It's the misinformed who supply the votes the legislators need to stay latched onto the money teat.

hillbilly grandpa · Mar 26, 2019

A wise person once counseled me, "If you want to know where the action is--follow the money."

danb · Mar 26, 2019

Bob A said:
It's the misinformed who supply the votes the legislators need to stay latched onto the money teat.

Not quite. The politicians have been allowed to pick their voters in the state.

PJDiesel · Mar 26, 2019

Can't wait to get my notification that I will be required to start over again.

welder516 · Mar 26, 2019

I should know in May how mine went .

BeoBill · Mar 26, 2019

Stoveman said:
I live streamed most of the meeting. Zero prohibited persons receiving favorable decisions to overturn the Secretary. None of the applicants were a prohibited person.

Bob A said:
Half our legislation is based on outright falsehoods.

So long as the majority of the voters approve of the spirit behind the lies, no change will occur.

So long as our legislators are comfortable pandering to the misinformed, idiots will rule.

So long as the money keeps flowing, it will be business as usual. When the cash flow dries up, that's when we'll have real problems.

Bob A said:
It's the misinformed who supply the votes the legislators need to stay latched onto the money teat.

OK, so is there any way that we can turn this to OUR advantage in the near and/or long term? We now have her documented as lying to promote her viewpoint.

Vetted84 · Mar 26, 2019

BeoBill said:
OK, so is there any way that we can turn this to OUR advantage in the near and/or long term? We now have her documented as lying to promote her viewpoint.

Do you think it actually matters to the MGA?

hillbilly grandpa · Mar 26, 2019

It doesn't matter in that arena.

PJDiesel · Mar 26, 2019

welder516 said:
I should know in May how mine went .

Chuck and I are eagerly awaiting..... you're the litmus test for us unfortunately.

dblas · Mar 26, 2019

danb said:
Our legislators are not pandering to the misinformed. They're pandering to the lobbyists like Bloomberg that control a lot of the money

Not really since lobbyists are limited to same limit on contributions that you and I are.

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