No good deed goes unpunished in MD?

Threeband · Nov 28, 2019

So a single, individual Trooper has the final say? No review of his recommendation?

28Shooter · Nov 28, 2019

So tell me again why the Founding Fathers included the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights?

Squaregrouper · Nov 28, 2019

INMY01TA said:
he’s prohibited in Md, not in California.

No he is not. His conviction was removed by having the 1204.3 in CA. (Think PBJ)
This was a mistake by MSP or something still showed up in the federal database that shouldn't be there.
I'm pretty sure a 2A lawyer could get this fixed really quickly.

PowPow · Nov 28, 2019

Ciditad said:
Here's a link to a very good explanation of how CA's expungement process works:

https://www.shouselaw.com/expungement-will-not-do.html

Note that it clearly states the CA expungement process will NOT restore one's 2A rights if the charge was related to certain felonies and misdemeanors related to sex, assault, robbery, firearm, and drugs. My computer related charge was for browsing and posting on internet car chat forums, posting SFW pictures in discussions while at work (seriously even the judge was like why are you here?).

Like I said, did not have any issues with buying and owning these handguns in CA, but the MSP trooper on my application felt that the MD gun law applied in my case and issued a denial.

The government stupidity that is in play here is typical for Maryland. I'm sorry you're having to go through this, and I hope you are able to get it corrected. Now, let's see those pics!

:needpics:

Threeband · Nov 28, 2019

Was the OP paid fair market value for his firearms? That P7M8 alone is worth a mortgage payment.

INMY01TA · Nov 28, 2019

squaregrouper said:
No he is not. His conviction was removed by having the 1204.3 in CA. (Think PBJ)
This was a mistake by MSP or something still showed up in the federal database that shouldn't be there.
I'm pretty sure a 2A lawyer could get this fixed really quickly.

Ok I re read the thread and see he already changed his plee. In that case he still needs to get a lawyer to clear it up because technically he’s still prohibited. I would not be building any P80’s until then.

Squaregrouper · Nov 28, 2019

INMY01TA said:
Ok I re read the thread and see he already changed his plee. In that case he still needs to get a lawyer to clear it up because technically he’s still prohibited. I would not be building any P80’s until then.

I agree that he shouldn't do anything until this is squared away. Him being "prohibited" is a clerical or database mistake. I think we all agree a 2A lawyer should be able to get this fixed rather quickly.

Doctor_M · Nov 28, 2019

Wow, OP, I feel for you. I have no legal advice to offer, just my heartfelt wishes that you can clear this up with as little pain and expense as possible. Completely FUBAR. If this happened to me, I think I would go full on super-villian. Kudos for keeping your composure under these trying circumstances.

Ciditad · Nov 28, 2019

Per request this is what I gave up:

as you may gather I'm a German/Italian fan.

I have already been talking to Ed Hershon but he apparently is very busy and couldn't call me Tuesday as planned so I'll follow up with him next week. After reading your comments I'm more cautiously optimistic about my chances now, hopefully it'll be cleared up soon.

danb · Nov 28, 2019

yeah I 2nd or 3rd talk to an attorney. Your situation could even be the kind of test case 2A attorneys like as a test case to get laws overturned.

Start a gofundme for legal bills.

no guarantee you wont run into something similar in another state, if its in NICS.

Some Guy · Nov 28, 2019

Ciditad said:
Per request this is what I gave up:

as you may gather I'm a German/Italian fan.

I have already been talking to Ed Hershon but he apparently is very busy and couldn't call me Tuesday as planned so I'll follow up with him next week. After reading your comments I'm more cautiously optimistic about my chances now, hopefully it'll be cleared up soon.

I think you need to decide whether you want to take it to court (years) or get out of Maryland. The governments of both Maryland and California will never willingly allow you to exercise your rights, and that includes the courts in both states. Your time, and your dime.

If I was you I'd gtfo and go someplace with a government and a large percentage of the population that doesn't despise you. If not you'll spend the next ten years disenfranchised and in court trying to change a system which will probably just get game f*cked again by another batch of sh*tty legislators, judges and bureaucrats.

Maryland. It never fails to disappoint. Really sorry to hear you are getting rolled by your own government.

Not_an_outlaw · Nov 28, 2019

Some Guy said:
I think you need to decide whether you want to take it to court (years) or get out of Maryland. The governments of both Maryland and California will never willingly allow you to exercise your rights, and that includes the courts in both states. Your time, and your dime.

If I was you I'd gtfo and go someplace with a government and a large percentage of the population that doesn't despise you. If not you'll spend the next ten years disenfranchised and in court trying to change a system which will probably just get game f*cked again by another batch of sh*tty legislators, judges and bureaucrats.

Maryland. It never fails to disappoint. Really sorry to hear you are getting rolled by your own government.

I don't agree. Fight like hell, but don't let it get you down. Join one of our many advocacy groups and fight these bastards.

GTOGUNNER · Nov 28, 2019

Screw Maryland. FIGHT BACK!

Not_an_outlaw · Nov 28, 2019

GTOGUNNER said:
Screw Maryland. FIGHT BACK!

You never know. You might have the case that blows all this BS up!

BlueHeeler · Nov 28, 2019

Some Guy said:
I think you need to decide whether you want to take it to court (years) or get out of Maryland. The governments of both Maryland and California will never willingly allow you to exercise your rights, and that includes the courts in both states. Your time, and your dime.

If I was you I'd gtfo and go someplace with a government and a large percentage of the population that doesn't despise you. If not you'll spend the next ten years disenfranchised and in court trying to change a system which will probably just get game f*cked again by another batch of sh*tty legislators, judges and bureaucrats.

Maryland. It never fails to disappoint. Really sorry to hear you are getting rolled by your own government.

Some Guy is 100% correct. Do you want to fight the MD legislative element that has unlimited resources and nothing to lose?

I fought and still fight in DC. TBH I should have moved to the wonderful Commonwealth of Virginia.

Moonlighter · Nov 28, 2019

However this turns out for you bro, you have my sympathies.

We have liberals, gang bangers, and psychotic dickhead mass shooters to thank for all of this.

Ciditad · Nov 28, 2019

The one funny thing I can think of from my experience is I've never seen any government agency act so quickly. I mean if our government could replicate the speed in which the MSP showed up at my doors to take away my legally purchased property, we wouldn't have poverty, crime, and declining education system.

Bertfish · Nov 28, 2019

Ciditad said:
The one funny thing I can think of from my experience is I've never seen any government agency act so quickly. I mean if our government could replicate the speed in which the MSP showed up at my doors to take away my legally purchased property, we wouldn't have poverty, crime, and declining education system.

Oh yes they're exceedingly efficient when it comes to seizing property and rights of any kind

ericoak · Nov 28, 2019

You said you filled out a 77R for guns you already own? That isn’t even a requirement, you should have done the MD new resident voluntary registration. The 77R even says it is not for new resident registration.

Ciditad · Nov 28, 2019

ericoak said:
You said you filled out a 77R for guns you already own? That isn’t even a requirement, you should have done the MD new resident voluntary registration. The 77R even says it is not for new resident registration.

I believe it was a 77R for voluntary registration.

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