Whats the word on the saiga 12
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aquaman
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There is no word, the ATF is conducting a 'study'. Ultimately I doubt anything will happen with this, we have a pro gun congress that can put pressure on the ATF. Everyone loves to play 'the sky is falling' on this subject but if you write to your Reps, NRA etc. we can win everytime. submit your comment to the ATF after you check this out http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/012611-study-on-importality-of-certain-shotguns.pdf
silverwolf
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- Feb 14, 2011
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The problem, if I understand correctly, is that congress and the ATF in general have no say in this. It all comes down to the decision of the Attorney General. After reading the report, it looks like they just want to redefine "sporting purpose" to justify banning and/or reclassifying various models of shotguns and possibly rifles and handguns. People are concerned about the future status of the Saiga 12 because there are a couple references to it including a picture of the MD20 drum magazine.
If someone understands the legalities better, please correct me if this is wrong...
Personally I don't think it will be reclassified as a DD simply because the ATF doesn't have the resources to deal with the massive amounts of paperwork that would be required given all the Saiga 12s currently in the country. I think it is very likely that they will ban the importation of them however.
If someone understands the legalities better, please correct me if this is wrong...
Personally I don't think it will be reclassified as a DD simply because the ATF doesn't have the resources to deal with the massive amounts of paperwork that would be required given all the Saiga 12s currently in the country. I think it is very likely that they will ban the importation of them however.
Markp
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- Dec 22, 2008
- 9,392
The Saiga 12 will be banned... trust me... there is no reason they would not ban it... it is an AK variant (they hate it for that), it has an available drum magazine like the street sweeper (they hate that too), and it can be made fully auto like the AA-12 (one more weapon they hate on.) There is enough Saiga 12 hate at the AG's office to heat the eastern seaboard.
Get one now, because you won't be seeing them later at any sane prices.
Mark
aquaman
Ultimate Member
Then quit msi and turn over your rifles to the msp bc there is more chance ofstopping this than furthering gun rights in md. Trust me. We have the momentum so let's act like it
No need to take insult, it's the current state of affairs. Markp was quoting the truth.
The current regime is doing everything in it's power to "redefine" existing law.
Sad but true.
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jmac
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Sounds like we need to do a MD Shooters/Saiga 12 fishing trip.....
rob-cubed
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Yes, but right now we are in between shipments. Last one from Izhmash was Fall of last year, usually it's 9 months to a year between boatloads and Saigas of all flavors always dry up between them. The "S-12s will be declared DDs" rumor pops up every single year at least once, this is simply the closest the ATF has come to announcing their intent.
With the "Sons of Guns" show and the ATF study, S-12s are at an all-time high demand. Atlantic just got a few of them in from somewhere, but everyone knows they are in demand and low supply and asking a premium for them.
I feel they will be banned from import at *some* point in the future, but I don't feel that the ATF is ready to take that leap just yet. The study is just a foot in the door to redefine "sporting" once again and set precedent. At the moment the only thing the Saiga has against it is the availability of 20-round drums, and the fact that it looks evil when converted. As imported, it is definitely a sporting gun. The ATF has to be able to clearly define what makes a Saiga non-sporting vs other PG or box-fed shotguns first, then they can ban it.
In the unlikely event import is banned *and* they are declared a DD, there would be an NFA amnesty just like with some of the other DD shotguns. Free tax stamps for all. And because the ATF doesn't know who has converted theirs and who has not, it becomes a real nightmare if they are basing the DD definition on features.
Everyone who wants an S-12, wait it out. They aren't banned yet and this likely isn't the last of them... just the warning salvo by the alphabet boys.
Sev
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Markp
Ultimate Member
- Dec 22, 2008
- 9,392
You're right, I'm outta here... Good luck y'all... I quit.
Markp
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- Dec 22, 2008
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Just kidding... Seriously, lets call this for what it is, it's a textbook Cass Sunstein regulatory tweak... That's exactly what is coming down the pike.
I agree we have the momentum, but to think that this "sporting use" B.S. will be used to our benefit with Holder, Obama, and that new tool heading up the ATF still in control of the regulations is myopic at best.
Mark
I agree we have the momentum, but to think that this "sporting use" B.S. will be used to our benefit with Holder, Obama, and that new tool heading up the ATF still in control of the regulations is myopic at best.
Mark
Sirex
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I don't remember if I asked this before, I was diagnosed with CRS. Will the 20 gauge and .410 Saigas be banned as well? If I can't get a S12 at a decent price when I have money, I may just get a S20.
IIRC, The proposed ban will most likely affect any imported shotgun with a detachable magazine.
Sirex
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I thought it came down to barrel size or gauge size, but like I said I do not remember it. I could have just imagined it.
robdiao
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goneshootin88
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^ This. I believe its a half an inch bore diameter or larger. So the S-20 will most likely be banned as well if the ban happens.
aquaman
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No doubt that is their intent but look what congress is doing with the EPA carbon regulations. The adm. tried to make up powers and congress passes a law to block it. http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/congress/2011/03/gop-attempts-block-epas-climate-change-rules
We can do the same thing with gun rights as long as we are vocal
rpker
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I'd be in for 2
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