Patriot Picket Civil Rights Suit FILED!

Straightshooter · Feb 21, 2018

Ranchero50 said:
Well, hopefully we'll get an update or two once Rack gets off probation.

Looks like a Noelle pros can be expunged immediately if a release and waiver are signed, otherwise after 3 years. I wonder what that waiver & release looks like? My money is on Rack not signing off on any of this crap.

From a law website:
A nolle prosequi can be expunged in Maryland immediately. However, a General Waiver and Release must be filed, if not, then the Nolle Prosequi cannot be expunged for 3 years.

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CrazySanMan · Feb 21, 2018

Supervel said:
Also consider that by their politically driven, arbitrary actions they also affected your personal records from now on.
What question is on every application for a job, security clearances, carry application etc?

" HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ARRESTED?" The instant affect that has on anyone
considering you for any position is negative. Even if your specs are similar or even superior to another's they will often pick the other applicant without an arrest record,just to avoid having to justify it to their own superiors. The stigma attached to being arrested is real and a person's best efforts to explain it away with facts is tedious . Hopefully someone who's seen how conservative minded are treated by Dem/Leftist politically controlled agencys and still feels personal honor has a place here would be the one's
to review the application. In Maryland nothing is ever really expunged from our records. The right stroke on the right keyboard will make it appear. There isn't even a penalty for failing to carry out a lawful expungment. Hopefully your successful pursuit of fair and equal treatment and serious punitive damages will also nullify the arrests completely.
"Endeavor to Perservere " and Thank You very much for carrying this heavy torch for all of us. Hopefully you will get more than just vocal support from the many people who stand to benefit from your hard work .
Highest Regards, Supervel

The question is "Have you ever been convicted". Big difference. I was once arrested for three felonies and two misdemeanors but the charges were dropped so I was never convicted. I have an above Top Secret clearance today. It hasn't affected me at all.

j_h_smith · Feb 21, 2018

CrazySanMan said:
The question is "Have you ever been convicted". Big difference. I was once arrested for three felonies and two misdemeanors but the charges were dropped so I was never convicted. I have an above Top Secret clearance today. It hasn't affected me at all.

Not necessarily. My pension clearly states that I lose my pension and my wife loses her portion of my pension if I am arrested. Not convicted.

If the charges are dropped, I'd probably be okay, but with my luck, I can't take a chance.

welder516 · Feb 21, 2018

I think anyone in the Patriot Picket group would ever ask anyone to put that much on the line . We all have different levels of pain , when I am there walking the rally/picket line I know I have people covering my six as well as me looking over things as well .

I think anybody that would even assume a family man could put that much at risk . The MCP bank and work off fear and that very thing they hope to have you move one inch at a time , they also hope to reduce and scare people away .

Mendicant · Feb 21, 2018

GTOGUNNER said:
Once again, the State doubles down. Notice how the Officers' name and Agency doesn't appear. This is truly an intimidation factor...
Nice thing is, it just ups the 1983 payout!!!!!!

Doco Overboard · Feb 22, 2018

The only thing that intimidated me there was the gentleman directly in front of me pushing the young man in the wheelchair.
If I had half the courage and life experience as that guy I may be something one day.

It certainly isn't going to be a diatribe by a Patrick Henry wanna be or about someone else who couldn't make it or the cops posted around the area trying to be tough looking. They wouldn't have slapped cuffs on somebody if they showed up shit faced drunk.
They were there for our Safety and did a good job monitoring traffic.
. There's people around my way talking about what went down there and never heard of this forumn. That's the real intimidation.

Squaregrouper · Feb 22, 2018

Doco Overboard said:
The only thing that intimidated me there was the gentleman directly in front of me pushing the young man in the wheelchair.
If I had half the courage and life experience as that guy I may be something one day.

It certainly isn't going to be a diatribe by a Patrick Henry wanna be or about someone else who couldn't make it or the cops posted around the area trying to be tough looking. They wouldn't have slapped cuffs on somebody if they showed up shit faced drunk.
They were there for our Safety and did a good job monitoring traffic.
. There's people around my way talking about what went down there and never heard of this forumn. That's the real intimidation.

Doco meet Welder516. Welder516, this is Doco Overboard.

Frank S · Feb 22, 2018

Most excellent news. Bravo!

welder516 · Feb 22, 2018

Doco Overboard said:
The only thing that intimidated me there was the gentleman directly in front of me pushing the young man in the wheelchair.
If I had half the courage and life experience as that guy I may be something one day.

It certainly isn't going to be a diatribe by a Patrick Henry wanna be or about someone else who couldn't make it or the cops posted around the area trying to be tough looking. They wouldn't have slapped cuffs on somebody if they showed up shit faced drunk.
They were there for our Safety and did a good job monitoring traffic.
. There's people around my way talking about what went down there and never heard of this forumn. That's the real intimidation.

Thank You DocoOverboard , At the next PP event stop me and say hello . Wheelwelder loves hanging out with his Dad doing things , he is already telling me about next Monday MTFU .

squaregrouper said:
Doco meet Welder516. Welder516, this is Doco Overboard.

SG , Thanks for my son's handle i told him his new name and he chuckled and Mom thought it was cool for him to have his own MDS handle .

pidevildog07 · Feb 22, 2018

What did the signs say on the them?

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Inigoes · Feb 22, 2018

Straightshooter said:
Looks like a Noelle pros can be expunged immediately if a release and waiver are signed, otherwise after 3 years. I wonder what that waiver & release looks like? My money is on Rack not signing off on any of this crap.

From a law website:
A nolle prosequi can be expunged in Maryland immediately. However, a General Waiver and Release must be filed, if not, then the Nolle Prosequi cannot be expunged for 3 years.

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Also Nolle Prose is not an acquittal or dismissal.

If charges are not expunged within those three years, Maryland can reactivate those charges IIRC.

Squaregrouper · Feb 22, 2018

Inigoes said:
Also Nolle Prose is not an acquittal or dismissal.

If charges are not expunged within those three years, Maryland can reactivate those charges IIRC.

I'm pretty sure you're describing a Stet. Nolle prosqui is when they chose to not prosecute/dropped charges.
IANAL

Inigoes · Feb 22, 2018

squaregrouper said:
I'm pretty sure you're describing a Stet. Nolle prosqui is when they chose to not prosecute/dropped charges.
IANAL

Exactly, the DA chose not to prosecute "at this point in time". That doesn't mean they can't change their mind later.

If charged for something else down the road, within 3 years. These charges can be piled on, in addition to the new something else charges.

That is probably the reason why the waiver is required. To explain "what can happen".

JohnnyE · Feb 22, 2018

Supervel said:
Also consider that by their politically driven, arbitrary actions they also affected your personal records from now on.
What question is on every application for a job, security clearances, carry application etc?

" HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ARRESTED?" The instant affect that has on anyone
considering you for any position is negative. Even if your specs are similar or even superior to another's they will often pick the other applicant without an arrest record,just to avoid having to justify it to their own superiors. The stigma attached to being arrested is real and a person's best efforts to explain it away with facts is tedious . Hopefully someone who's seen how conservative minded are treated by Dem/Leftist politically controlled agencys and still feels personal honor has a place here would be the one's
to review the application. In Maryland nothing is ever really expunged from our records. The right stroke on the right keyboard will make it appear. There isn't even a penalty for failing to carry out a lawful expungment. Hopefully your successful pursuit of fair and equal treatment and serious punitive damages will also nullify the arrests completely.
"Endeavor to Perservere " and Thank You very much for carrying this heavy torch for all of us. Hopefully you will get more than just vocal support from the many people who stand to benefit from your hard work .
Highest Regards, Supervel

Whether it is expunged or not, from the night of February 5th on forward until the day each dies, Rack&Roll and Deep Lurker may well have to truthfully answer "YES" to this question, and bear the burden of providing an explanation, and the uncertainty of wondering if each and every explanation they provide is believed. There is an old expression, you cannot unring a bell. That applies in this situation.

j_h_smith said:
Not necessarily. My pension clearly states that I lose my pension and my wife loses her portion of my pension if I am arrested. Not convicted.

If the charges are dropped, I'd probably be okay, but with my luck, I can't take a chance.

Nolle Prose is not an acquittal or dismissal, and these happen all the time, often in the case of a defendant taking a plea deal. Defendant agrees to take a hit on one or more charges, and other charges are Nolle Prose'd. It is not an indication of innocence.

In order to aid Rack and Deep's bearing the burden of their arrests not only that night, but for the remainder of their lives, the state needs to support them with more than a Nolle Prose. A significant monetary judgment is needed to do several things:

compensate them for the suffering they endured that night due to the false arrest and infringement of their 1A rights;
compensate them for the burden they shall bear, for the rest of their lives, of explaining to others that their arrests were wrongful;
compensate them for the reality that, even after those explanations, in some cases they will not be believed and they will lose out on opportunities they would gotten had they never been arrested;
compensate them for the stigma of being arrestees;
show the sincerity of the state's apology in a way that a Nolle Prose simply does not do; and,
deter the state from infringing the rights of others going forward.

Squaregrouper · Feb 22, 2018

Nolle prosqui is the same as a case being dismissed. It is not a finding of innocence, but the case is done at that point.

welder516 · Feb 22, 2018

I may have recruited a extra Patriot for Monday , a business owner i do work for . He is fed up with the Government hacks and said he would love to bring his son as well to learn about our rights .

One a separate note i also talked to him about getting a Maryland Permit .

TheBert · Feb 22, 2018

Biggfoot44 said:
I'll bite . What occupation that hires 14 year olds swears *The Oath * ? LE related occupations are occasionally 18, usually 21 . Even with parental permission , Millitary at least 17 .

I swore the oath when I was 16 years old and just hired at the usda as a GS-1.

BeoBill · Feb 22, 2018

JohnnyE said:
Whether it is expunged or not, from the night of February 5th on forward until the day each dies, Rack&Roll and Deep Lurker may well have to truthfully answer "YES" to this question, and bear the burden of providing an explanation, and the uncertainty of wondering if each and every explanation they provide is believed. There is an old expression, you cannot unring a bell. That applies in this situation.

Nolle Prose is not an acquittal or dismissal, and these happen all the time, often in the case of a defendant taking a plea deal. Defendant agrees to take a hit on one or more charges, and other charges are Nolle Prose'd. It is not an indication of innocence.

In order to aid Rack and Deep's bearing the burden of their arrests not only that night, but for the remainder of their lives, the state needs to support them with more than a Nolle Prose. A significant monetary judgment is needed to do several things:

compensate them for the suffering they endured that night due to the false arrest and infringement of their 1A rights;

compensate them for the burden they shall bear, for the rest of their lives, of explaining to others that their arrests were wrongful;

compensate them for the reality that, even after those explanations, in some cases they will not be believed and they will lose out on opportunities they would gotten had they never been arrested;

compensate them for the stigma of being arrestees;

show the sincerity of the state's apology in a way that a Nolle Prose simply does not do; and,

deter the state from infringing the rights of others going forward.

Here's the way it works for Federal BIs, SBIs and SSBIs:

If you tell the investigator that an arrest (or other bad thing tm) happened, the reason and the disposition, it will be noted and probably won't affect the subsequent access. If the investigator discovers it and you haven't told them, it's over; you're done. You'd be surprised what I've seen forgiven by adjudicators... :innocent0

lazarus · Feb 22, 2018

TheBert said:
I swore the oath when I was 16 years old and just hired at the usda as a GS-1.

Dang, I thought I was young when I started in the civil service at barely 21. Then again, maybe a different decade? I have coworkers who started at 16-18, but that was also 30-40 years ago, not the 15 ago I did.

GolfR · Feb 22, 2018

BeoBill said:
Here's the way it works for Federal BIs, SBIs and SSBIs:

If you tell the investigator that an arrest (or other bad thing tm) happened, the reason and the disposition, it will be noted and probably won't affect the subsequent access. If the investigator discovers it and you haven't told them, it's over; you're done. You'd be surprised what I've seen forgiven by adjudicators...

Fundamentally, you better tell them the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth because it only gets worse if they hook you up to a machine and ask the same questions...

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