Revolver Cylinder Gap Injury

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  • Aventus

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    Sep 5, 2016
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    I’ve been considering a S&W Performance Center Revolver in a 357 mag. As I was leaving the range the other night, I saw the basic model for rent, so I gave it a try. I got a box of 38 Special and 357 Magnum, went back to the range and proceeded to make many terrible shooting mistakes.

    I already shot 250 rounds of my 9mm which is usually my limit (mistake 1). As I started shooting the first box of 38's, two different rounds didn’t fire. It was near closing time and I was in a hurry (mistake 2), so I finished the 38’s and proceeded to the Magnums. Another round didn’t fire so I inspected the round further and found an off-center primer strike. The revolver was out of time and the cylinder wasn’t locking up.

    I took a close inspection and had a hard time seeing any grooves in the barrel. My eyes are not the greatest, so I didn’t trust them (mistake 3). I also had half a box of Mags remaining, so I decided to finish shooting. (mistake 4)

    Loaded another six and the gun shot fine. Loaded another six and this time the second chamber didn’t fire again. Not paying close attention (mistake 5), I finished off the last four rounds and clicked on the expended first chamber. At that point, I should have opened the cylinder and removed all empty brass and the unfired round, but I was lazy (mistake 6) and pulled the trigger again to test.

    When I pulled the trigger to test, I was expecting the round not to fire again, and I wasn’t paying attention to my grip, (mistake 7 and biggest mistake). I usually shoot strikers and my habit was to have my support hand finger/thumb up, which on a revolver is around the barrel/cylinder gap.

    This time the round didn’t go click and the magnum round fired. My support hand grip was loose not expecting it to fire but close enough to the cylinder gap to get caught in the blast. My fingers were nicely seared and totally numb for 15 minutes. If my support hand fingers were tight, I would have been in the emergency room.

    When I turned the gun in, the gentleman inspected the revolver and said there were no grooves left in the barrel except for the last inch. He estimated there were 80,000 to 100,000 rounds already put through the gun and needed a serious rework or retirement. I also suspect the cylinder gap was out of spec and renting the gun was another error of mine.

    I was so disappointed in myself to make so many slip-ups after shooting for many years. If I was shooting one of my revolver hand cannons, I wouldn’t be giving the thumbs up ever again. Hopefully this will remind someone else before they injure themselves.

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    august1410

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    Apr 10, 2009
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    New Bern, NC
    I'm curious. Where did you rent this gun? One of the mistakes made was by the range, by having this revolver available for rent.
     

    John from MD

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    May 12, 2005
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    You learned a got a cheap lesson, as have many of us, and hopefully have learned from it. The people who get the more expensive lessons never get a second chance. :sad20:

    Sometime ago, after a cheap lesson, I decided never to rush anything involved in shooting again. I rushed a range session and was late for dinner. The next day I went to clean my pistol and there was a round in the chamber. :o No rush, no more.
     

    Aventus

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    Sep 5, 2016
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    I'm curious. Where did you rent this gun? One of the mistakes made was by the range, by having this revolver available for rent.

    I'd rather not mention it, they made the correction and I dealt with it. It was my fault in the end!
     

    august1410

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    Apr 10, 2009
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    I'd rather not mention it, they made the correction and I dealt with it. It was my fault in the end!

    While I agree there were some mistakes on your part, the revolver should have not been available for rental as it was a hazard. Imagine if an inexperienced shooter had rented it. If you don't wish to mention it in the thread, PM me. I'm not interested in bashing the range. I am mainly interested in the fact that, should I ever go to the range, I should double check the rental guns to make sure everything is copacetic.
     

    hobiecat590

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    Feb 2, 2016
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    Wow that is quite a picture! When training newbies with wheel guns, I use a piece of paper on the side of the chamber to illustrate what Cylinder Gap blow by can do to fingers and unprotected eyes. I never imagined just how much gas is expended during a shot if this picture is indicative of an average 357. I am glad you are OK.
     

    j8064

    Garrett Co Hooligan #1
    Feb 23, 2008
    11,635
    Deep Creek
    OP,

    You learned a very valuable lesson with minimal harm. Take the lesson to the bank and always remember it. But what were the lessons?

    IMHO:
    1. ALWAYS know (and confirm) the firearm is in perfect working order and safe to shoot. That's essential!
    2. NEVER shoot when you are tired or impaired in any way. That's fundamental.
    3. You list several red flags in your post that, to me, say STOP!, but you kept going... :nono:
    4. Having any body parts near a revolver cylinder gap when pulling a trigger is just plain... :crazy:

    My Hooligan friends and I shoot almost every week. We are about as safety conscious as there is. Bottom line is you were very lucky. Don't ever let "luck" be a part of your shooting.

    Safety and shooting fundamentals -> ALWAYS!

    Glad it was no worse for you than it was. Always remember, the safety of others anywhere near you depend on you to be 1000% on top of each and every time you pull the trigger of a firearm.

    ....
     

    Aventus

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    Sep 5, 2016
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    Wow that is quite a picture! When training newbies with wheel guns, I use a piece of paper on the side of the chamber to illustrate what Cylinder Gap blow by can do to fingers and unprotected eyes. I never imagined just how much gas is expended during a shot if this picture is indicative of an average 357. I am glad you are OK.

    LOL, that wasn't my photo! It was another 357 however.
     

    Blaster229

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    Sep 14, 2010
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    Get that left thumb back, crossing over that right thumb under the hammer. This also helps controlling recoil.
     

    Biggfoot44

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    Aug 2, 2009
    33,199
    For quote " not seeing any lands & grooves" unquote , my thought is lead deposits , not shot out .

    I have dealt with several revolvers with those kinds of round counts , with perfectly good rifling in the main part of the bbl . Some throat erosion, but most of bbl fine ( lead bullet std pressure .38spl) .

    You will be out of time, and major end shake long before accuracy becomes worse than an average semiauto .
     

    Dsnyder

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    Jun 23, 2015
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    Thanks for sharing. Learning from others mistakes is more painless than our own. I am glad you were not serious hurt.
     

    crolfe1984

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    Oct 21, 2007
    564
    Baltimore City, MD
    Made sure to teach my sister these basics. She wanted to put one round through my 500 S&W during a birthday range trip last year. Handled it well, and everyone kept their fingers!

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    sxs

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    Nov 20, 2009
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    Glad you weren’t hurt. A 44 Magnum might have taken a piece of your finger off.

    A 460 Mag (or a 500...similar pressures) pretty much can:

    https://yorkpistol.blogspot.com/2008/02/460-xvr-accident.html

    FYI, I was doing some finetuning of the sight in on mine resting the barrel on a stack of sandbags. I accidentally pushed the barrel up on the bags near the yoke and the fire through the cylinder gap blew a hole through the top bag and sent sand flying everywhere. Ended my shooting session with that gun for that day (had to take it home and clean it out really good).
     

    AlBeight

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    Mar 30, 2017
    4,499
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    A 460 Mag (or a 500...similar pressures) pretty much can:

    https://yorkpistol.blogspot.com/2008/02/460-xvr-accident.html

    FYI, I was doing some finetuning of the sight in on mine resting the barrel on a stack of sandbags. I accidentally pushed the barrel up on the bags near the yoke and the fire through the cylinder gap blew a hole through the top bag and sent sand flying everywhere. Ended my shooting session with that gun for that day (had to take it home and clean it out really good).
    Both burned and blown apart many sandbags with my 44 Mag and 454 Casull. Shooting at 100 yds I prefer the bags, but now I’m careful to select bags that are in better condition. Even with my bottom hand mostly on the bags & not any part of the gun, the cylinder blast (especially from the Raging Bull) can hurt the bag. It cleans the table off pretty well too, papers, spent shells, turret caps, you name it. OP, thanks for sharing your story. Even experienced wheelgunners can use a reminder from time to time. Glad you’re okay as well.
     

    KJackson

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    Apr 3, 2017
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    Perfect timing for me to see this thread. I just ordered my first revolver yesterday and today I happened to see a video online talking about this situation.
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    33,199
    If I didn't mention it , be careful of the b/c . A friend once wasn't careful enough with his Creedmore position, and made a very dramatic 3rd degree burn on his leg with a .357 .
     

    Uncle Duke

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    Feb 2, 2013
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    Not Far Enough from the City
    I’ve been considering a S&W Performance Center Revolver in a 357 mag. As I was leaving the range the other night, I saw the basic model for rent, so I gave it a try. I got a box of 38 Special and 357 Magnum, went back to the range and proceeded to make many terrible shooting mistakes.

    I already shot 250 rounds of my 9mm which is usually my limit (mistake 1). As I started shooting the first box of 38's, two different rounds didn’t fire. It was near closing time and I was in a hurry (mistake 2), so I finished the 38’s and proceeded to the Magnums. Another round didn’t fire so I inspected the round further and found an off-center primer strike. The revolver was out of time and the cylinder wasn’t locking up.

    I took a close inspection and had a hard time seeing any grooves in the barrel. My eyes are not the greatest, so I didn’t trust them (mistake 3). I also had half a box of Mags remaining, so I decided to finish shooting. (mistake 4)

    Loaded another six and the gun shot fine. Loaded another six and this time the second chamber didn’t fire again. Not paying close attention (mistake 5), I finished off the last four rounds and clicked on the expended first chamber. At that point, I should have opened the cylinder and removed all empty brass and the unfired round, but I was lazy (mistake 6) and pulled the trigger again to test.

    When I pulled the trigger to test, I was expecting the round not to fire again, and I wasn’t paying attention to my grip, (mistake 7 and biggest mistake). I usually shoot strikers and my habit was to have my support hand finger/thumb up, which on a revolver is around the barrel/cylinder gap.

    This time the round didn’t go click and the magnum round fired. My support hand grip was loose not expecting it to fire but close enough to the cylinder gap to get caught in the blast. My fingers were nicely seared and totally numb for 15 minutes. If my support hand fingers were tight, I would have been in the emergency room.

    When I turned the gun in, the gentleman inspected the revolver and said there were no grooves left in the barrel except for the last inch. He estimated there were 80,000 to 100,000 rounds already put through the gun and needed a serious rework or retirement. I also suspect the cylinder gap was out of spec and renting the gun was another error of mine.

    I was so disappointed in myself to make so many slip-ups after shooting for many years. If I was shooting one of my revolver hand cannons, I wouldn’t be giving the thumbs up ever again. Hopefully this will remind someone else before they injure themselves.

    MMsam04.jpg

    :goodpost:

    Nowadays, it's revolvers that are foreign to many handgunners.
     

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