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Old June 10th, 2021, 11:34 AM #51
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Primer shortages started in the early 90's with slick willie, I started preparing then and haven't looked back. I wasn't happy paying $30- per K a few years ago but now I'm damned glad I did.
It's so bad now bullet molds are not available in common sizes.

I've added some new calibers this year and have had to scramble to find brass, dies and bullets (anyone have an extra set of 8mm Kropatscheck dies and .329 mold they would like to part with...lol)
If primers ever become available, you can bet your sweet bippy I'll never get caught short again.
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Old June 10th, 2021, 11:37 AM #52
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I only load target rounds for rifles and my .44. If I had a progressive press I'd reload 9mm at least. BTW I have bags and bags of range brass if any one wants to buy it at strike prices for brass.
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I only load target rounds for rifles and my .44. If I had a progressive press I'd reload 9mm at least. BTW I have bags and bags of range brass if any one wants to buy it at strike prices for brass.

I have a Dillon Square Deal B and would not recommend it. It's a great press for pistol calibers only, but conversion kits are expensive. I could have bought a 650 for what I have in just conversion kits.
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I've been handloading for 40 years started when I was 23 and glad I did. Not only do you save money. You produce more accurate custom ammo. I do all the steps to make it more accurate. From pistol to rifle. The factory ammo is the best it has ever been, but still not as good as handloaded. Just my 2 cents!
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I have a Dillon Square Deal B and would not recommend it. It's a great press for pistol calibers only, but conversion kits are expensive. I could have bought a 650 for what I have in just conversion kits.
Every caliber on every model of Dillon has its own expenses. On my 550 I figure that between a caliber conversion kit, a powder die, and a tool head, it's roughly $100 per caliber. The differences of course being that I can load rifle rounds and I don't have to use proprietary dies.

I currently have 7 calibers set up for my Dillon with more on the way - that's $700 in just conversion kits, powder dies and tool heads.

If all I ever wanted to load was for pistol, I considered getting the SDB, and I liked the idea of the potentially faster production of the 650, but I liked the simplicity and versatility of the 550, so that's what I went with.
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I have a Dillon Square Deal B and would not recommend it. It's a great press for pistol calibers only, but conversion kits are expensive. I could have bought a 650 for what I have in just conversion kits.
Old RCBS rock chucker here. Inherited it and it's been solid. Also got an AMT auto powder measure that works really well. I still verify each weight on a mini scale that goes out to 3 decimal places in grns. It's nice...
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This. I've been on the hunt for primers at a reasonable price for weeks and have come up with nothing yet. Bullets and powder seem to be available - powder being a bit harder to come by than bullets, although if you know what you're looking at there are substitutions that can be made if you can't find a specific powder.

I reload for 3 reasons.

One, I like the economy of it - it allows me to shoot more for less.
Two, I get to decide how the load goes together.
Three, as long as I have components, * I'm not beholden to anyone else to maintain my ability to shoot.

* Never before have I see this kind of shortage. I never stocked up on primers before because there was never really a reason - I could always get them, even if I had to pay a bit more than I would have normally liked. It used to be, I'd hit a gun show about twice a year, pick up a brick of 1000 of whatever I needed, and that was that. I'm below 500 now on every type, so I've stopped shooting as much, and I've stopped reloading until I can manage to score some that aren't $100/brick. I REFUSE to pay that.
Yeah I can understand that. At the same time, thatís only 10cpp. That makes 9mm cost about 21cpr loaded right now +/- a little if you are reusing brass. Commercial is still 55-70cpr.

So if you plan to shoot a fair amount, 10 cent primers isnít that horrible a deal. I wonít be paying it, but Iíve got primers to last me a few years. I managed to get a fair number before the pandemic went real pear shaped on reloading supplies. If I were really low, $100/1k wouldnít stop me. It would just sting some more.

I do plan if or when prices have gotten sane Iíll stock up better on some primers. And then make sure I donít get low. Same with commercial ammo. At some point Iíll stock up on a bit more once prices are pretty same. Though. It that much extra compared to what I have. Iíve been shooting mostly reloads the last year.
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Yeah I can understand that. At the same time, thatís only 10cpp. That makes 9mm cost about 21cpr loaded right now +/- a little if you are reusing brass. Commercial is still 55-70cpr.

So if you plan to shoot a fair amount, 10 cent primers isnít that horrible a deal. I wonít be paying it, but Iíve got primers to last me a few years. I managed to get a fair number before the pandemic went real pear shaped on reloading supplies. If I were really low, $100/1k wouldnít stop me. It would just sting some more.

I do plan if or when prices have gotten sane Iíll stock up better on some primers. And then make sure I donít get low. Same with commercial ammo. At some point Iíll stock up on a bit more once prices are pretty same. Though. It that much extra compared to what I have. Iíve been shooting mostly reloads the last year.
10Ę per primer is simply more than I'll do - the last time I bought primers they were just about $30/brick. At $100 that's a 233% price increase. At 10Ę per primer, (assuming these were "normal" times) it puts my cost per round for something like 9mm at a point that's pretty close to what it costs off the shelf.
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10Ę per primer is simply more than I'll do - the last time I bought primers they were just about $30/brick. At $100 that's a 233% price increase. At 10Ę per primer, (assuming these were "normal" times) it puts my cost per round for something like 9mm at a point that's pretty close to what it costs off the shelf.
But they aren't normal times.

If 9mm ammo gets back below 20 cpr, primers will be back under 4 cents each.
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But they aren't normal times.

If 9mm ammo gets back below 20 cpr, primers will be back under 4 cents each.
No disagreement, but the only way to get primer prices to come back down is if people refuse to pay $100 a brick for them.

The unfortunate thing is that prices never fully rebound to what they were before when these ammo and component shortages occur thanks to the dumbasses out there who are like, "Here! Take mah munny!!!!! LOLOLZ!" Every single time the prices bump up, and then only relax about 70-80%. I fully expect primers to be $40+ permanently, even when the shortage is over.
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