HB910/SB958 Criminal Law - Untraceable Firearms

WeaponsCollector said:

Who's going to comply with such unenforceable infringements? When will they send out teams of Jack Boot Thugs to inspect serial numbers?
I've owned guns for over 20 years and have never needed to show anyone any serial numbers. "Molon Labe".

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teratos said:

Serial numbers are easily put on 80 percenters.

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Allen65 said:

But the bill requires a licensed manufacturer or dealer to issue the serial #. And I've neen unable to find any of either of those willing to seralize a home-built lower, after asking around when a similar bill was introduced last year.

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lazarus said:

I’d be guilty. I’ve got a pre 1968 unserialized shotgun.

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A PERSON MAY NOT:
(1) MANUFACTURE, CAUSE TO BE MANUFACTURED, ASSEMBLE, OR CONSTRUCT A FIREARM THAT IS NOT IMPRINTED WITH A SERIAL NUMBER ISSUED BY A FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS MANUFACTURER OR FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS IMPORTER IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL FEDERAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS REGULATING THE MANUFACTURE AND IMPORT OF FIREARMS; OR

(2) POSSESS, SELL, OFFER TO SELL,TRANSFER,PURCHASE, OR RECEIVE:
(I) A FIREARM THAT IS NOT IMPRINTED WITH A SERIAL NUMBER ISSUED BY A FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS MANUFACTURER OR FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS IMPORTER IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL FEDERAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS REGULATING THE MANUFACTURE AND IMPORT OF FIREARMS; OR
(II) AN OBJECT MARKETED OR ADVERTISED TO BE,OR THAT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD UNDERSTAND TO BE,DESIGNED FOR THE PURPOSE OF BEING MANUFACTURED, ASSEMBLED, OR CONSTRUCTED INTO THE FRAME OR RECEIVER OF A FIREARM THAT IS NOT IMPRINTED WITH A SERIAL NUMBER ISSUED BY A FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS MANUFACTURER OR FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS IMPORTER IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL FEDERAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS REGULATING THE MANUFACTURE AND IMPORT OF FIREARMS.

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teratos said:

I don’t recall which manufacturer put the serial # on there.

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Allen65 said:

It would be the FFL who engraved his name and location, along with the model # IAW ATF regs. The required markings for commercial guns are more than just a serial.

Obviously in order to check if the markings were legit, LE would need to contact the manufacturer whose name is on the gun, to verify the info.

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PowPow said:

And here you have it:

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PowPow said:

And here you have it:

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teratos said:

Serial numbers are easily put on 80 percenters.

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INMY01TA said:

So even possession of an unfinished P80 frame (that is legally not a firearm) is prohibited and then you’re guilty of possessing an untraceable firearm?

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WeaponsCollector said:

No body is going to want to put serial numbers on home built guns and the whole reason people build them in the first place is to avoid such unnecessary infringements.

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PowPow said:

Updated OP. SB958 hearing scheduled in Judicial Proceedings for Tue 3/3 at 12:00 p.m.

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teratos said:

I put serial numbers on, in case they are stolen. A serial number the government doesn’t have is hardly an infringement.

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Allen65 said:

I guess I'll be putting in for leave at work for 3/3, then. Gotta think how to attack this bill in testimony besides the "nobody will comply, so why pass the bill" angle.

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PowPow said:

The House version is scheduled before that for Wed. 2/26 1pm.

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