VA Rep suggests National Guard collect guns

Glaron · Dec 25, 2019

Seems as I read it. The National Guard is a military unit, but can be used for natural disasters.

Flooding, or hurricane relief is one thing. Using the to enforce UN-constitutional laws? I'm thinking big issues, the real military should assume command. :innocent0

WeaponsCollector · Dec 25, 2019

There is no duty to enforce or obey unconstitutional gun bans, unconstitutional laws are not laws at all. Support and defend our constitutional rights or face the consequences.

davsco · Dec 25, 2019

maybe instead we should send the NG to bmore to clean that place up. seems a much better use than disarming law-abiding citizens.

namrelio · Dec 25, 2019

"I............................… do solemnly swear that I will support and

defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the
Commonwealth of Virginia, against all enemies, foreign and domestic;

Part of the Va National Guard oath. Wouldn't "domestic enemies" apply to the dems in office now? They are more of an enemy than any thing we face right now.

BennyB · Dec 25, 2019

zakmar1 said:
The government sends the National Guard into riot situations with no ammo, and armory reject weapons...how do you think that is going to work out? Much respect the Guard and any man in uniform, but....

but what? go on...

LeadSled1 · Dec 25, 2019

zakmar1 said:
The government sends the National Guard into riot situations with no ammo, and armory reject weapons...how do you think that is going to work out? Much respect the Guard and any man in uniform, but....

My guard guys have good M4s and are fitted with ACOGs. They have better gear than some of my Army unit guys.

Mark75H · Dec 25, 2019

Devil Dog said:
Why would a GOVERNOR "nationalize the National Guard?"
Isn't that reserved for the President?

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TheOriginalMexicanBob said:
Only the President can federalize the National Guard. The governor can activate the Guard for state service.

Correct and correct.

Too many people are confusing "nationalize" with activate or mobilize

It stems from poor reading comprehension regarding 1956 Little Rock. The governor mobilized the guard, then sent them home. They were called back by being nationalized by the president (to stand in front of the cameras so the public wouldn't see the 101st Airborne enforcing the court ruling and preventing rioting).

platoonDaddy · Dec 25, 2019

Virginia Governor Northam Increases Corrections Budget In Anticipation Of Jailing Gun Owners

https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/24/virginia-governor-northam-increases-corrections-budget-in-anticipation-of-jailing-gun-owners/

teratos · Dec 25, 2019

platoonDaddy said:
Virginia Governor Northam Increases Corrections Budget In Anticipation Of Jailing Gun Owners

https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/24/virginia-governor-northam-increases-corrections-budget-in-anticipation-of-jailing-gun-owners/

Need to increase land allocation for cemeteries.

BeoBill · Dec 25, 2019

WeaponsCollector said:
There is no duty to enforce or obey unconstitutional gun bans, unconstitutional laws are not laws at all. Support and defend our constitutional rights or face the consequences.

The oath we took binds us to disobey UNLAWFUL orders.

Class project: Define "UNLAWFUL". Individually. There may be a test later... :innocent0

ETA: I distinctly remember the "Just Warrior" debate that raged during the 1960s and early 1970s.

Allen65 · Dec 25, 2019

BeoBill said:
The oath we took binds us to disobey UNLAWFUL orders.

Class project: Define "UNLAWFUL". Individually. There may be a test later...

ETA: I distinctly remember the "Just Warrior" debate that raged during the 1960s and early 1970s.

IIRC, all orders are presumptively lawful. A service member disobeying an order is going to be at least NJP'ed, and possibly UCMJ'ed, depending in the circumstances. From what I understand, the burden of proof of unlawfulness is completely on the insubordinate service member, and it's a high hurdle to get over.

rockstarr · Dec 26, 2019

Sounds just like a typical elitist pig. They want someone else to do their dirty work for them.

willtill · Dec 26, 2019

Allen65 said:
IIRC, all orders are presumptively lawful. A service member disobeying an order is going to be at least NJP'ed, and possibly UCMJ'ed, depending in the circumstances. From what I understand, the burden of proof of unlawfulness is completely on the insubordinate service member, and it's a high hurdle to get over.

Yep. Also... peer pressure is a M'fer... it will force someone doubtful into that herd mentality once it's executed.

Don't think that for one instant an entire unit or components of it will suddenly become democratic in last minute decisions; regarding the operation at hand.

PS: I use the term "democratic" in the past tense... not what it has become today.

Alea Jacta Est · Dec 26, 2019

Lots of prepper novels cover the various aspects of the psych dynamic for “units” that stay loyal to the “state”

That it will happen isn’t in doubt for me. Why it might happen or even how isn’t something I’m meanwhile wasting my limited cerebral flatus on.

I can but focus on my reaction/response should it happen. That will suffice if/when the time arrives.

Mr H · Jan 8, 2020

Apologies if this has been covered...

I saw yesterday where Northam has refused to rule out using NG forces to collect any banned weapons, and now there are reports that NG members are receiving death threats. This can not be good for the broader 2A community.

Why do radicals continue to eat our own?

Glaron · Jan 8, 2020

Did you see that on the internet?

dist1646 · Jan 8, 2020

teratos said:
Need to increase land allocation for cemeteries.

Why contaminate the soil with liberal politicians and traitors? Disburse their remains at sea like other terrorists!

Threeband · Jan 8, 2020

Mr H said:
Apologies if this has been covered...

I saw yesterday where Northam has refused to rule out using NG forces to collect any banned weapons, and now there are reports that NG members are receiving death threats. This can not be good for the broader 2A community.

Why do radicals continue to eat our own?

Glaron said:
Did you see that on the internet?

It is a standard disinformation tactic to claim that left wing heroes are receiving death threats from crazy right wing extremists.

TangoSierra27 · Jan 8, 2020

It's obvious that the Democratic Party is using Virginia as a test, how the people of Virginia and surrounding states respond is very important.

TangoSierra27 · Jan 8, 2020

Well Gov. Blackface was never known for his intelligence. This push is a concerted effort by the Democratic Party to see what they can get away with.

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