Carry at your own business

spicedcrab · Mar 27, 2018

As a business owner I know its ok for me to carry at my retail store..........

What about my son or daughter that works with me, are they allowed to carry for protection also (with my permission) while in my store?

Pinecone · Mar 27, 2018

IIRC, they must be a supervisor and have permission.

pbharvey · Mar 27, 2018

Also they need to be paid employees

knastera · Mar 27, 2018

I'll give the same advice I give to all my handgun students, consult with an attorney for your particular situation. There are liability and insurance implications that are unique to each business.

PJDiesel · Mar 27, 2018

I would have assumed anyone who is an invited guest of a business or private property would be good to go. I have no problem with someone carrying at my home or business.

Docster · Mar 27, 2018

knastera said:
I'll give the same advice I give to all my handgun students, consult with an attorney for your particular situation. There are liability and insurance implications that are unique to each business.

YES, good idea. Never a good idea to assume anything about gun laws ESPECIALLY in Maryland

lazarus · Mar 27, 2018

PJDiesel said:
I would have assumed anyone who is an invited guest of a business or private property would be good to go. I have no problem with someone carrying at my home or business.

Absurdly not. Maryland law allows no such thing for a handgun.

On YOUR property owned or leased. Between your property owned or leased. Hunting. Dog training. Range/target shooting. Gunsmith. Purchase or sale. As mentioned above if you are a supervisory employee for a business with owner permission and only inside effectively (consult deeper for exact guidelines for carrying at a business you do not own).

That is basically it.

I CANNOT give permission to my neighbor to carry on my property unless it fits in one of the above categories.

Long guns are under none of those restrictions.

Some people occasionally say it is okay to carry on someone else’s private property with their permission. The law specifically lays out carrying of a handgun is illegal in Maryland and then lays out the exceptions (W&C permit, law enforcement, military while official duties or the following exceptions, your own property, blah, blah, blah).

Someone else’s private property with the owner’s permission is NOT mentioned as an exception to “no handguns” in COMAR.

PJDiesel · Mar 27, 2018

Oddly, ALL of those categories are taking place at any given time at my shop, target shooting outback, maybe someone working on a gun, etc.

I know this is MD but for fuxs sake, if I say someone can carry and shoot on my property....they can. Unless I'm confused about who pays the taxes on it..

GLR En · Mar 27, 2018

I see where it says a supervisory employee with permission of owner may carry within the confines of the business. I didn't see where it said they had to be a paid employee, unless I overlooked it.

Dsnyder · Mar 27, 2018

Just a guess, but the maryland definition of employee may include the word, paid.

lazarus · Mar 28, 2018

PJDiesel said:
Oddly, ALL of those categories are taking place at any given time at my shop, target shooting outback, maybe someone working on a gun, etc.

I know this is MD but for fuxs sake, if I say someone can carry and shoot on my property....they can. Unless I'm confused about who pays the taxes on it..

Does that allow you to dispose of toxic waste on your property or murder someone on your property?

I hear you and I agree with the sentiment, but the law very much disagrees and being aware that it does is a good idea.

Depending on where you live a number of those activities couldn’t fly. In a county that doesn’t allow target shooting on your property? Not hunting season or not a safe zone possible on the property?

Also it says “gunsmith”. I doubt “your friend” is going to qualify for that under Maryland law unless they are certified.

Some of it comes down to what you do and the law doesn’t know or care about you are fine. But you should be aware that the activity does break the law. Lots of people text and drive knowing it breaks the law also.

If your buddy is there to actually shoot on your property then zero issues. If your buddy is there for a BBQ and he wants to show you his new 1911, the law very much is not okay with the fact that he brought the handgun there.

PJDiesel · Mar 28, 2018

(double post)

PJDiesel · Mar 28, 2018

Not sure how dumping of toxic waste and committing murder are relevant as they both effect other/unrelated parties to my business and property.

"Target" shooting is 100% legal and fully permissible in my County, I'd actually bet it's done on private property literally 365 days a year actually. I know of two people with old gravel pits (private property of their own) who shoot something at least EVERY weekend, ...every week.

Guess some people like to be consumed with BS and constsntly worrying about a million statues and laws. A vast majority of the people I know live by a moral code where they don't infringe on others rights, liberty, ability to earn and safely raise a family.

Basically....ef the law when it includes trampling on private property rights. So long as I'm not causing problems for others,.... this is America.

PJDiesel · Mar 28, 2018

Also humorous that a buddy can't transport a handgun to a house or business JUST to show it to someone. Have others here not also bought and sold dozens of guns where someone had to LOOK at them prior to doing an FFL/MSP transfer?

What world do some of you live in? Are you all constantly fearing government surveillance or something? Maybe I've been on the razors edge of the ATF crashing through my front window for decades now and I never even knew it??

Doubt that.

davsco · Mar 28, 2018

PJDiesel said:
Basically....ef the law when it includes trampling on private property rights. So long as I'm not causing problems for others,.... this is America.

while i agree with your sentiment, you (we) should at least know the actual laws, and what happens if and when when you (we) get busted for breaking them or lightly skirting them.

PJDiesel · Mar 28, 2018

Agreed. And, didn't want to sound combative about it.

It's just to the point in Maryland I think most people just simply say, "Oh,... is that what the law on that is",.... then calmly go about their lives/business giving zero fuchs. When the law is equally applied to dope fiends, pedophiles, thieves and politicians, then I'll start showing concern for them having the time and resources to bother messing with a regular Joe.

lazarus · Mar 28, 2018

PJDiesel said:
Agreed. And, didn't want to sound combative about it.

It's just to the point in Maryland I think most people just simply say, "Oh,... is that what the law on that is",.... then calmly go about their lives/business giving zero fuchs. When the law is equally applied to dope fiends, pedophiles, thieves and politicians, then I'll start showing concern for them having the time and resources to bother messing with a regular Joe.

Sure and I agree with your feelings. But knowing what the actual law is, is also a darned good idea. If you get pulled over and are found to have a handgun on you saying you were target shooting at a buddies, that probably better be the truth or the officer might just investigate more and if the stories don’t match or there is no evidence (talks to a Neighbor who was home all day and didn’t hear shooting).

Yeah, you are probably pretty safe, but cops DO sometimes spend the time and resources going after your average above the board not doing anything to anyone guys.

PJDiesel · Mar 28, 2018

Agreed on all points.

I'm one of the anointed ones, I can (could) carry freely in all situations we've discussed.

yakfish · Mar 30, 2018

The BGOS is strong in this thread.

Very, VERY strong.

jkeys · Apr 1, 2018

give or sell your son and daughter a small ownership stake in the company?

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