Nickberg500
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Woops. You were literally implying what I said (woosh moment).You're damn right this is what is going on
Woops. You were literally implying what I said (woosh moment).You're damn right this is what is going on
At some point we are going to have to admit that it is a problem with prohibited people buying and using these guns on the street. I really can't blame the guy for not wanting to be part of criminals getting these things.
so ban these kits because felons are using them? how bout we keep the f_cking felons in f_ucking jail and then we won't have f_ucking f_elons using guns in any form.
and, define 'problem.' how many thousands if not tens of thousands if not more of these kits are out in circulation and how many have been used in crime? and how many have been used by repeat criminals that, if they were put and kept in jail, wouldn't have committed further crimes?
Isn't that how you keep felons from buying guns?
Freedom to travel within the USA on horses and wagons in the late 1700s. The act of traveling is the same now, just the vehicle has changed.
Why is operating a conveyance a privilege and not a right.
The parallels between firearms and conveyances are incontrovertible.
Are you talking about me or the guy I spoke with at eagle arms?
I must be naive as blazes. If you bought firearms through an ffl, if you are still buying them through ffl (now all purchases are to be done that way in Maryland and feds got it through the House Pelosiland)), you are “on the books”. You are labeled a gun owner and if things get that bad they will tear your premises apart looking for anything they can find.
We all want unpapered ‘stuff’ because big brother is becoming so contemptible. But face it, if things get that bad, we’ll be picking those ‘things’ up.
If you read the OP's story, according to the Philadelphia Police they confiscated 90 in 2019, 270 in 2020 and 80 so far this year.
So, let me be clear, I am opposed to all bans of inanimate objects. Full stop. This is a people problem.
But I am honestly confused as to why I've seen opposition to expanded background checks? Isn't that how you keep felons from buying guns? I don't expect a criminal to tell a seller he's a criminal of his own accord.
The only objection I've seen to expanded background checks is that it is the beginning of a registry. Which I get. But I'll guess that most folks on this forum have filled out a form at a gun shop at some point in time so isn't that a moot point?
I'm honest to goodness asking what part of this I'm missing
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A lot of those conveyance-operating wagon drivers would be sure to correct you on some aspects of that. Like, every time they paid to use a bridge or a ferry or one of many toll roads if they didn't feel like roughing it across a ford ten miles out of their way. That sort of infrastructure wasn't free to create and maintain then, and isn't now. Now, pulling your wagon across the prairie? Yeah, different. None of that isn't somebody's property, now. Point is, the circumstances of the 1700s and today's publicly paid-for and policed roads are apples and oranges, not counting 18th century toll roads/bridges/ferries. And some towns would definitely - for long centuries - have plenty to say about how you "operated" your horse or ox-cart on public ways.
Not to mention how hard is was to keep everyone in the wagon fed while maintaining a moderate pace, stopping to fix a wagon wheel, a thief steals 16 pairs of clothes and Jane dies of typhoid before you even reach halfway through the trail!
There is no serial number authority. Just scratch a number of your choice into the lower.
The BATFE has specific rules on firearm serialization right down to the font size.
Freedom to travel within the USA on horses and wagons in the late 1700s. The act of traveling is the same now, just the vehicle has changed.
Why is operating a conveyance a privilege and not a right.
The parallels between firearms and conveyances are incontrovertible.
I see 2A in COTUS but not conveyance. Do you have the right to drive a car? No. Right to bear arms? Yes. Not Bill of privileges. Bill of Rights
How is anything traced back to his gunshow???I sent the promoters an Email expressing my feelings on this. Below is my Email and the response FYI.
Hello Bob,
The owner of Eagle Arms is working on a resolution with the vendors of the 80% ghost guns. Currently, our top supplier of the 80% kits will sell to anyone, including minors. without any limits. Additionally, the vendor sells in bulk without any limitations. As a result, our shows have become a target for large crime organizations. Every week these ghost guns are found at crime scenes and traced back to our gun shows. We are hopeful that an agreement will be reached between the Gun Show owner and the vendors of the 80% kits.
These kits should never fall into the hands of minors and/or criminals. A compromise will be reached so that all involved parties needs are met.
Thank you
P.S. don’t believe the HYPE!
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 9:30 PM bob wrote:
I just heard about your new policy banning the sale of 80% receivers at your shows.
The very few criminals who may want to go through the work to finish an 80% lower don't justify your banning of these parts. That's the same argument anti-gun people use: we need to ban something because a small minority of criminals may take advantage of it. The have a company that is supposed to promote guns and gun rights use the same emotional ******** arguments that our political enemies use is disgusting. I went to a small gunshow in PA on Saturday and I was planning on going to a few more this spring. Rest assured I won't be attending any that you are putting on. I don't like to financially support people and companies that work against my rights
Sincerely
I sent the promoters an Email expressing my feelings on this. Below is my Email and the response FYI.
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"The owner of Eagle Arms is working on a resolution with the vendors of the 80% ghost guns."
So many people don't get this. They've swallowed the "driving is a privilege!" kool-aid and think the gov grants privileges.Oi.
COTUS doesn't outline the rights we have, but rather specifically tells gov what it may or may not do.
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COTUS is a restriction on gov. It doesn't give rights that the people don't already possess.