Antis Want to "Strengthen" Red Flag Law

Mike OTDP · Nov 9, 2018

One problem with the whole business is the police coming to confiscate guns. Because there is very little trust that you will get them back...and if you do, even less trust that they will be returned undamaged. A more sensible option might be to turn physical custody over to a third party.

That being said, it all comes down to the idea that 2A rights are second-class, not given the protections of the rest of the Bill of Rights.

Doctor_M · Nov 9, 2018

I'm not advocating that anyone do anything that is against the law, but while you still can, I would advise everyone to purchase a couple of non banned long guns in face to face purchases and stash them somewhere outside of your main residence. It is rapidly becoming too easy for the state to disarm the law abiding... don't keep all your eggs in one basket.

Oldcarjunkie · Nov 9, 2018

https://www.howardcountymd.gov/Link...hO6RYRFUjYvflveGMuqQPkoZO9FtFw2AqmyWC0djO_zx8

ironpony · Nov 10, 2018

Oldcarjunkie said:
https://www.howardcountymd.gov/Link...hO6RYRFUjYvflveGMuqQPkoZO9FtFw2AqmyWC0djO_zx8

"III.
TYPES OF EXTREME RISK PROTECTIVE ORDERS

2.May include a referral for law enforcement to determine whether the Respondent
should be taken for an emergency mental evaluation."

What might this mean?

daNattyFatty · Nov 10, 2018

Antis Want to "Strengthen" Red Flag Law

ironpony said:
"III.
TYPES OF EXTREME RISK PROTECTIVE ORDERS

2.May include a referral for law enforcement to determine whether the Respondent
should be taken for an emergency mental evaluation."

What might this mean?

An emergency evaluation is taking someone to the hospital, who is a threat to themselves or others, to be evaluated by some mental health worker.

Taking someone to the hospital for this purpose against their will is not an involuntary commitment and neither is the evaluation itself.

It only becomes involuntary after whoever evaluated you tells you that should voluntarily be committed, you disagree and then two doctors certify that you need to be committed.

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pcfixer · Nov 11, 2018

I would think the judge has to issue a court order for mental health evaluation.
https://mdcourts.gov/sites/default/files/court-forms/dcerpo001.pdf

https://mdcourts.gov/sites/default/files/court-forms/dcerpo001b.pdf

RoadDawg · Nov 13, 2018

ironpony said:
"III.
TYPES OF EXTREME RISK PROTECTIVE ORDERS

2.May include a referral for law enforcement to determine whether the Respondent
should be taken for an emergency mental evaluation."

What might this mean?

This———>>>

daNattyFatty said:
An emergency evaluation is taking someone to the hospital, who is a threat to themselves or others, to be evaluated by some mental health worker.

Taking someone to the hospital for this purpose against their will is not an involuntary commitment and neither is the evaluation itself.

It only becomes involuntary after whoever evaluated you tells you that should voluntarily be committed, you disagree and then two doctors certify that you need to be committed.

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Yepper.

I had to take someone in for an EP...

I found him in his third floor apartment... naked... rope tied around his neck and secured to the open window frame...

He needed help FAST or he would have been dangling about a story in the air outside of his windows.

According to some... I should not have taken him in for the EP... it violated his COTUS rights. :sarcasm:

Sooooo much misinformation flying rampant. :sad20:

44man · Nov 13, 2018

RoadDawg said:
This———>>>

Yepper.

I had to take someone in for an EP...

I found him in his third floor apartment... naked... rope tied around his neck and secured to the open window frame...

He needed help FAST or he would have been dangling about a story in the air outside of his windows.

According to some... I should not have taken him in for the EP... it violated his COTUS rights.

Sooooo much misinformation flying rampant.

Why is it the governments buisness if that guy wanted to kill himself?

The government doesn’t mind planned parenthood killing hundreds of thousands of babies so why would it involve itself in this guys buisness?

And once committed the taxpayers end up paying for this guy to be committed, hows that fair to the taxpayers and what is the governments stand on paying for this?

TexDefender · Nov 13, 2018

44man said:
Why is it the governments business if that guy wanted to kill himself?

I find that statement rather frighting. Maybe it is the right thing to do?

ironpony · Nov 13, 2018

RoadDawg said:
This———>>>

Yepper.

I had to take someone in for an EP...

I found him in his third floor apartment... naked... rope tied around his neck and secured to the open window frame...

He needed help FAST or he would have been dangling about a story in the air outside of his windows.

According to some... I should not have taken him in for the EP... it violated his COTUS rights.

Sooooo much misinformation flying rampant.

I agree, my curiosity was with the "May include a referral" part, I guess it would give a LEO justification in any decisions made with little time to think. Attorneys making the law knew how attorneys could twist that around without a referral.

Now if there were Japanese twins in the room this guy may have a case against being hauled to the hospital, naked? Just being funny here in attempt to explain what I was thinking. Hope the dude got his life together thanks to you! :thumbsup:

No offense meant to Japanese twins. ..

44man · Nov 13, 2018

TexDefender said:
I find that statement rather frighting. Maybe it is the right thing to do?

The right thing for who?

If the government doesn’t mind killing unborn babies in their third trimester why bother with this guy wanting to off himself? Both of these things cost the taxpayers money so why is one ok and the other not?

I also don’t agree with getting rid of the death penalty or issuing narcan to cops and emt’s to bring back folks od’ing. They narcan the same people over and over at the tax payers expense.

Now with the 1302 law any relatives of mine can get pissed off if I don’t loan, read give, them money for dope and say it’s for rent or whatever and they can file for a 1302 on me and not only cause me a world of hurt but also waste taxpayers money

It’s ********

MigraineMan · Nov 13, 2018

44man said:
Why is it the governments buisness if that guy wanted to kill himself?

TexDefender said:
I find that statement rather frighting. Maybe it is the right thing to do?

Do you think my right to Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness excludes the right to self-terminate when I choose to? or do you know better than I do regarding continuation of my existence?

Ranchero50 · Nov 13, 2018

MigraineMan said:
Do you think my right to Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness excludes the right to self-terminate when I choose to? or do you know better than I do regarding continuation of my existence?

A bit off topic but ditto in spades. Just don't 'F' it up for others when you go...

ironpony · Nov 13, 2018

MigraineMan said:
Do you think my right to Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness excludes the right to self-terminate when I choose to? or do you know better than I do regarding continuation of my existence?

I'd be careful talking like this .... after Oct. 1, 2018 that is .... just sayin, and I get what you are sayin.

44man · Nov 13, 2018

MigraineMan said:
Do you think my right to Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness excludes the right to self-terminate when I choose to? or do you know better than I do regarding continuation of my existence?

Exactly my point

fred55 · Nov 13, 2018

44man said:
Why is it the governments buisness if that guy wanted to kill himself?

The government doesn’t mind planned parenthood killing hundreds of thousands of babies so why would it involve itself in this guys buisness?

And once committed the taxpayers end up paying for this guy to be committed, hows that fair to the taxpayers and what is the governments stand on paying for this?

Because Dems don't want to lose the guy's tax revenue. Unborn aren't taxpayers yet so the Dems don't care about them. Cynical but probably true...

MigraineMan · Nov 13, 2018

Ranchero50 said:
A bit off topic but ditto in spades. Just don't 'F' it up for others when you go...

It's not off topic - the person who petitions for an ERPO is required to provide an explanation regarding why "PETITIONER BELIEVES THAT THE RESPONDENT PRESENTS AN IMMEDIATE AND PRESENT DANGER OF CAUSING PERSONAL INJURY TO THE RESPONDENT OR OTHERS;"

Serious question - At what point does the nanny-state assume authority over my actions? When they are deemed dangerous? "Causing personal injury" seems like a pretty low threshold. Riding a motorcycle in the DC Metro area is pretty dangerous. Does that qualify? Or how about cave diving, where the fatality rate is pretty high - 1 in 3286?

TexDefender · Nov 13, 2018

MigraineMan said:
Do you think my right to Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness excludes the right to self-terminate when I choose to? or do you know better than I do regarding continuation of my existence?

That RSO thought the same thing.

eruby · Nov 13, 2018

MigraineMan said:
Do you think my right to Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness excludes the right to self-terminate when I choose to? or do you know better than I do regarding continuation of my existence?

TexDefender said:
That RSO thought the same thing.

Your reply is in no way an answer to MigraineMan's question.

TexDefender · Nov 13, 2018

eruby said:
Your reply is in no way an answer to MigraineMan's question.

I will be more specific then.... I don't care how you do yourself in, if it is done legally, and under certain circumstances say if you are terminally ill. I don't think killing yourself in a School is a great idea either. And if you are thinking about committing suicide how do I know you will not kill my family members, friends, or anyone else for that matter? So I would stop for a moment and think about what has been said, and how it relates to the certain laws.

Many people that try to comment suicide, I believe, for the most part are mentally ill. And need assistance from someone else, because they are not thinking clearly. Men are more successful than Women, as men tend to use an immediate method like a firearms. Others will strangle themselves or jump off a building like a member of my squadron did back in the late 80's.

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