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hawxter996 · Aug 3, 2011

interesting!

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1213799_ATF_Ruling_2011_4___Pistol_to_Rifle_and_back_to_Pistol.html

wlc · Aug 3, 2011

so others don't have to click a multiple times

http://blog.princelaw.com/2011/8/2/batfe-ruling-2011-4-pistol-to-a-rifle-and-back-to-a-pistol

hawxter996 · Aug 3, 2011

wlc said:
so others don't have to click a multiple times

http://blog.princelaw.com/2011/8/2/batfe-ruling-2011-4-pistol-to-a-rifle-and-back-to-a-pistol

has been posted on atf website,it is official!

Inigoes · Aug 3, 2011

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf

local archive: View attachment atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf

edit:this thread should be in the NFA/CLass III forum

hawxter996 · Aug 3, 2011

Inigoes said:
http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf

local archive: View attachment 41979

edit:this thread should be in the NFA/CLass III forum

why? i havent built an nfa item.

Inigoes · Aug 3, 2011

hawxter996 said:
why? i havent built an nfa item.

So this thread can be viewed by all, instead of members having 50 posts or more.

hawxter996 · Aug 3, 2011

Inigoes said:
So this thread can be viewed by all, instead of members having 50 posts or more.

good point.

erwos · Aug 3, 2011

FINALLY!!!! Neos carbine kit, here I come!

hawxter996 · Aug 3, 2011

pistol to rifle back to pistol is now legal.

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf

hawxter996 · Aug 3, 2011

just watch yourselves guys,dont leave your pistol upper on with a rifle stock attached. :party29:

Silverlode · Aug 3, 2011

OK, somebody please explain this to an SBR dummy (me).

I think this means if you convert a pistol to an SBR, you still have to follow the currently established guidelines, but then you can convert it back without any red tape?

hawxter996 · Aug 3, 2011

Silverlode said:
OK, somebody please explain this to an SBR dummy (me).

I think this means if you convert a pistol to an SBR, you still have to follow the currently established guidelines, but then you can convert it back without any red tape?

start as a pistol,change to rifle 16in + back to pistol.

eta. it appears so.

BenL · Aug 3, 2011

I'm not sure anything's changed. From page 3:

Nonetheless, if a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length is assembled or otherwise produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle, such a weapon is a “weapon made from a rifle” as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4). Such a weapon would not be a “pistol” because the weapon was not originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile by one hand.

Once it's made a rifle, it can't then be made into a pistol. This has always been the rule.

erwos · Aug 3, 2011

You're missing the "originally assembled or produced" bit in your quote. That's the big news, because it used to be "has EVER been a rifle".

NateIU10 · Aug 3, 2011

BenL said:
I'm not sure anything's changed. From page 3:

Once it's made a rifle, it can't then be made into a pistol. This has always been the rule.

I think what they were trying to accomplish was clarify the rule on pistol to rifle conversion. It was always understood that a pistol could be converted into a rifle, but the conversion back from a rifle to a pistol was debated as to its legality. This is because you cannot turn a rifle into a pistol without SBR paperwork, and people would argue that 1) it's legal because it just restores the handgun to its original form and 2) it's illegal because it converts a now rifle into an SBR, and not a pistol.

Lex Armarum · Aug 3, 2011

This ruling does substantial damage to the "constructive possession" (see, I used the right term this time) scare-mongers amongst us. Having both parts in your possession does not necessarily rise to the level of constructive possession. Of course, as always, this is not legal advice, the correct answer always depends upon the individual situational facts and circumstances, etc etc.

Inigoes · Aug 3, 2011

So in laymans terms:

Say a GSG pistol is laying around, with extra GSG parts such as a stock.

If the stock was attached to the GSG pistol, is legal?
Then take the stock off, and restore the pistol back to it's orginal configuation, is legal?

Just trying to clarify...

Silverlode · Aug 3, 2011

So bottom line is I still can't slap a stock on my AR pistol without going through the SBR process right?

jonnyl · Aug 3, 2011

Inigoes said:
So in laymans terms:

Say a GSG pistol is laying around, with extra GSG parts such as a stock.

If the stock was attached to the GSG pistol, is legal?
Then take the stock off, and restore the pistol back to it's orginal configuation, is legal?

Just trying to clarify...

I think only if the barrel is 16+. If the barrel is shorter you made an SBR. I think that's why they made such a point out of the example kit coming with two barrels.

not a lawyer... not even really knowledgeable...

NateIU10 · Aug 3, 2011

Inigoes said:
So in laymans terms:

Say a GSG pistol is laying around, with extra GSG parts such as a stock.

If the stock was attached to the GSG pistol, is legal?
Then take the stock off, and restore the pistol back to it's orginal configuation, is legal?

Just trying to clarify...

Silverlode said:
So bottom line is I still can't slap a stock on my AR pistol without going through the SBR process right?

It must still meet the minimum OAL and barrel length to be a rifle, as defined, and not an SBR. If it meets all that, then yes, you may.

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