Maryland Shall Issue v. Hogan (HQL challenge) argument scheduled for 5/6

Steel Hunter · Apr 30, 2020

https://twitter.com/MD_Shall_Issue/status/1255866720922865665

A lot of you are probably already aware, but if not, be aware. MSI gets to argue against the HQL in the 4th Circuit on 5/6.

I'll leave all the speculation to you guys on the number of ways the 4th circuit will try to screw us.

Case #: 19-1469

This is a very important case that I think deserves more attention. It's something that directly affects pretty much all members here.

Putting this at the top for clarity:

esqappellate said:
Folks should understand that this appeal being heard on 5/6 is solely about our appeal from the district court's dismissal of the case on grounds of standing. The district court never reached the merits and the appeal does not turn on the merits. If we prevail on standing, then we go back to district court for summary judgment on the merits. Then there will be appellate proceedings from any ruling on summary judgment.

Link to listen live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWA26EhRDW8

Nickberg500 · Apr 30, 2020

Time to increase my donations to MSI

Nickberg500 · Apr 30, 2020

Steel Hunter said:
https://twitter.com/MD_Shall_Issue/status/1255866720922865665

A lot of you are probably already aware, but if not, be aware. MSI gets to argue against the HQL in the 4th Circuit on 5/6.

I'll leave all the speculation to you guys on the number of ways the 4th circuit will try to screw us.

Case #: 19-1469

This is a very important case that I think deserves more attention. It's something that directly affects pretty much all members here.

Would it be possible to get together a timeline of events for this? I'm not very familiar with how things work in the court system, all I know is we've been waiting seven years to get to this point.

For example, if all things go exactly as planned, how soon can we have the HQL repealed? I see this is vs Hogan who has been hit or miss with the 2A; how will his stance affect the case?

danb · Apr 30, 2020

thanks for posting this, with all the events I forgot.

My prediction is that we will not see a decision until after the Supreme Court says something in one of the 10 cases that they might take.

motorcoachdoug · May 1, 2020

danb said:
thanks for posting this, with all the events I forgot.

My prediction is that we will not see a decision until after the Supreme Court says something in one of the 10 cases that they might take.

i agree as well.

Steel Hunter · May 1, 2020

Nickberg500 said:
Would it be possible to get together a timeline of events for this? I'm not very familiar with how things work in the court system, all I know is we've been waiting seven years to get to this point.

For example, if all things go exactly as planned, how soon can we have the HQL repealed? I see this is vs Hogan who has been hit or miss with the 2A; how will his stance affect the case?

You can read the case activity here:

Initial filing in September 2016 to district court: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4512832/maryland-shall-issue-inc-v-hogan/

Appeal to 4th Circuit May 1, 2019: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/7245/maryland-shall-issue-inc-v-lawrence-hogan/

Unfortunately I don't know what happened between 2013 and early 2016 as I was in free America for that time.

motorcoachdoug · May 2, 2020

is their anyway to listen to this online and or watch a video as it is going on? You know they will keep the courthouse closed to the public until the virus thinggy is over

Mark75H · May 2, 2020

motorcoachdoug said:
is their anyway to listen to this online and or watch a video as it is going on? You know they will keep the courthouse closed to the public until the virus thinggy is over

Nope, no SC video or audio, this is not new for Corona. Wait for the reporters to exit when its done. The court makes its own rules.

Steel Hunter · May 2, 2020

motorcoachdoug said:
is their anyway to listen to this online and or watch a video as it is going on? You know they will keep the courthouse closed to the public until the virus thinggy is over

Not live, but we should get the audio 24 hours later.

https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/oral-argument/listen-to-oral-arguments

jcutonilli · May 2, 2020

motorcoachdoug said:
is their anyway to listen to this online and or watch a video as it is going on? You know they will keep the courthouse closed to the public until the virus thinggy is over

They are having remote arguments for certain cases such as this one. The link to the argument can be found on the court website. I have included it here also

http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/oral-ar...9-maryland-shall-issue-inc.-v.-lawrence-hogan

Doctor_M · May 2, 2020

I will be sending another donation to MSI.

danb · May 2, 2020

Doctor_M said:
I will be sending another donation to MSI.

this!

Mark75H · May 2, 2020

jcutonilli said:
They are having remote arguments for certain cases such as this one. The link to the argument can be found on the court website. I have included it here also

http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/oral-ar...9-maryland-shall-issue-inc.-v.-lawrence-hogan

My mistake, I was thinking about a different court

Thanks for the correction!

HarryLogan · May 2, 2020

I am glad I recently joined. Thank you to the good folks at MSI.

Doctor_M · May 2, 2020

If MSI had the resources of the NRA at it's disposal... we would all be able to buy Class IIIs from vending machines (and none of those resources would be squandered on fancy clothing allowances for board members or shacking up hot "interns").

God bless them!

delaware_export · May 2, 2020

Actually, in a first, scotus will have its hearing available shortly. Not sure which cases will be there, but it is getting attention. Or so abc is reporting

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sup...st-teleconference-arguments/story?id=70388138

Muleskinner · May 2, 2020

Don't get your hopes up..if the HQL were unconstitutional states that have similar "permission slips" for purchase would have already been forced to do away with theirs. Just my opinion but this is just another misstep in the never ending saga of bad challenges to laws that will be upheld..

jcutonilli · May 2, 2020

Mark75H said:
My mistake, I was thinking about a different court

Thanks for the correction!

You had the correct court. They will still post the audio there. They are not holding normal oral arguments and have augmented what they are doing for certain cases such as this one.

Nomadic Bear · May 2, 2020

MSI does great work. I recently joined to support their efforts. They have excellent resources available on their website for 2A advocacy.

BeoBill · May 2, 2020

Muleskinner said:
Don't get your hopes up..if the HQL were unconstitutional states that have similar "permission slips" for purchase would have already been forced to do away with theirs. Just my opinion but this is just another misstep in the never ending saga of bad challenges to laws that will be upheld..

True, but the other states don't have MSI on their side.

Carefully chosen fights, picked well = probable success.

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