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As Issued (I Think) IBM Carbine
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Combloc
Stop Negassing me!!!!!
I'd say there's about zero possibility it was staked like that at the factory, but in-field "adjustment" may be more plausible.
Either way it's a really nice one with great wood
So glad it was rescued from a shellacking.
I 100% agree.
mawkie
C&R Whisperer
Awesome find and "rescue"!
FYI, at Redding last weekend there was an "as issued" IBM...
IBM Corp. – Mod. M1 Carbine – 30 Carbine Cal. Semi-Auto Rifle – w/18” IBM Corp. 9-43 Dated Barrel – w/High Wood Stock
w/I-Cut & Ordnance Mark – w/Original Sling & Oiler (As Issued Carbine)
I threw out my notes but my weak memory had it hammer for at least $3k in a fierce bidding war. This one is probably as nice. You did great!
FYI, at Redding last weekend there was an "as issued" IBM...
IBM Corp. – Mod. M1 Carbine – 30 Carbine Cal. Semi-Auto Rifle – w/18” IBM Corp. 9-43 Dated Barrel – w/High Wood Stock
w/I-Cut & Ordnance Mark – w/Original Sling & Oiler (As Issued Carbine)
I threw out my notes but my weak memory had it hammer for at least $3k in a fierce bidding war. This one is probably as nice. You did great!
Combloc
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Thanks mawkie. My estimate on value mirrors yours. I think that, to the right collector, this is very valuable. To most guys though, it's a 1k carbine at most because they wouldn't know what they are looking at.
TheOriginalMexicanBob
Ultimate Member
IBM receivers were made by both IBM and Auto-Ordnance which made the Thompson Submachine guns. Receivers made by them as a subcontractor to IBM have an "AO" mark on the heel of the receiver.
I don't know what proportion of IBM receiver production was supplied by Auto-Ordnance.
I don't know what proportion of IBM receiver production was supplied by Auto-Ordnance.
CasualObserver
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Combloc
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That's a very good site.
rob257
Active Member
I agree with somd_mustangs
I've examined 100's of Carbines. I've never seen such heavy staking, with an incorrect tool in an grossly incorrect manner on a rear sight.
Its a very nice representative IBM. If it's original I'll leave that to others to decide. I'll keep my money in my pocket.
Rob
I've examined 100's of Carbines. I've never seen such heavy staking, with an incorrect tool in an grossly incorrect manner on a rear sight.
Its a very nice representative IBM. If it's original I'll leave that to others to decide. I'll keep my money in my pocket.
Rob
Combloc
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You have to keep your money in your pocket. It's not for sale.
Excellent. I have a refurb IBM I'm saving for my nephew since both his parents worked for IBM. I love the ones made by "non-gun" manufacturers. One of the guns I regret parting with was my International Harvester Garand. I called it the "beat their plowshares into swords" gun ; )
Combloc
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Thanks guys. I've been contacted by a well respected collector of M1 carbines for over 40 years now. My understanding is that he has a collection of 200+ from all makes in original condition and he has made available to me photo documentation of many of these. In so doing he has pointed out many areas of interest in comparison to mine including some that have some pretty funky stake marks. According to him, my little carbine is exactly as it has left the factory including the stake marks. He says that, yes, they are kinda' ugly but they are good to go nonetheless. I have also been contacted by other collectors who have echoed his remarks. Apparently, as issued IBM's are relatively common. What makes this one special is that it remains unissued and unaltered for 74 years now. I'm told that's exceedingly rare. In fact, an almost identical IBM one sold at RIA this past September for over $6000. Now, that one included the box it shipped from Letterkenny with back in 1963 and that alone probably increased the value about $2000 but still, it tells me that my little clunker is something that should be preserved. So, at this point, I am satisfied that all is as it should be. I can't/shoot it and it's not for sale. So I guess I'll just stash it away until the time comes to pass it one to someone who will appreciate it for what it is.
Combloc
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Nah. I had a really nice M1D I couldn't shoot because of the condition. I sold that because I didn't want the responsibility of making sure the leather and glass stayed nice. This one is easy. Keep the metal from corroding and don't muck up the wood. I can handle that. I've had other Garands but the only one I still have is a CMP mixmaster. That's enough for me.
Beach Runner
Member
- Mar 20, 2018
- 90
Congratulations on the great find and thank you for sharing.
Striknine
Active Member
- Jan 19, 2013
- 187
Bert nice, good to see there are still carbines out in the wild that haven’t been refurb’d
ItsGarand
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Post your photos on the CMP forum
My neighbor has the whole collection of M1 carbines. My question is: What makes one more valuable than another. I understand
That a low production run makes a manufacture more valuable. These rifles have all types of production sub assemblies.Owners of
These rifles try to put as many of like manufacture parts into their guns.I know that the receivers,barrel,wood stock,seem to
be some of the most valuable components. I have a Inland. They are fun to shoot. Expensive to repair.
That a low production run makes a manufacture more valuable. These rifles have all types of production sub assemblies.Owners of
These rifles try to put as many of like manufacture parts into their guns.I know that the receivers,barrel,wood stock,seem to
be some of the most valuable components. I have a Inland. They are fun to shoot. Expensive to repair.
